GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 9:45:04 GMT -5

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Post by Markanite on Aug 14, 2011 9:45:04 GMT -5

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Christian Democrats

Description: The General Assembly,

Realizing the importance of marriage in many societies,

Respecting the various cultural and religious customs surrounding marriage,

Recognizing that many, if not most, marriages are intended to be lifelong unions,

Believing therefore that no person should be coerced to marry,

1. Defines forced marriage, for the purposes of this resolution, as the contractual or covenantal union of persons without the informed consent of every person being joined or a similar nonconsensual or coerced union of persons;

2. Prohibits forced marriage;

3. Forbids member states and their political subdivisions from enforcing or providing legal recognition to forced marriages performed in other countries;

4. Requires each member state to offer to annul all forced marriages of people in its jurisdiction; and

5. Recommends that member states establish special law enforcement divisions to investigate claims of forced marriage and communities that supposedly countenance such unions.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 10:06:45 GMT -5

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Post by Anime Daisuki on Aug 14, 2011 10:06:45 GMT -5

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild

Probably the wrong strength. When the author inserts words like Forbids, Prohibits, Requires... its should not be classified as Mild which is the lowest available strength level. At the minimum it should be submitted under 'Significant' (the middle strength level) and probably it should be submitted under 'Strong' (the upper strength level).

Proposed by: Christian Democrats

I think generally, this resolution will upset Muslims and other cultures where arranged marriages is the norm.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 10:24:20 GMT -5

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Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 10:24:20 GMT -5

The author (correctly) points out the difference between arranged marriage and forced marriage in the NS forum [here]. I originally voted against, for the reason that you point out above, AD, but I retracted it later after reading and understanding this. As far as I can see there can be a pretty fuzzy distinction in the real world between arranged and forced marriage.

I don’t know why the author put it under ‘mild’, and why nobody corrected him!

Currently, I don’t know how I’ll vote.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 12:22:01 GMT -5

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Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 12:22:01 GMT -5

Well, an arranged marriage is (usually) arranged by the parents, but, in theory, the arrangement can be rejected. If the arrangement is not able to be rejected, then it is a forced marriage.

So, as I understand it, all forced marriages are arranged, but not all arranged marriages are forced.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 13:09:28 GMT -5

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Post by Blbbo on Aug 14, 2011 13:09:28 GMT -5

Hmmm...sorry, Eist: I think you've observed a distinction without a difference. "Arranged" usually equals "forced" because children have few legal (or extra-legal) ways out of such arrangements that do not involve separation from those who have "arranged" things. I'm not sure how I'm going to vote either, and I'm looking forward to hearing other views.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act Aug 14, 2011 13:54:58 GMT -5

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Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 13:54:58 GMT -5

Yes, I tried to elucidate that I understood this, above:

Aug 14, 2011 10:24:20 GMT -5 Eist said:

As far as I can see there can be a pretty fuzzy distinction in the real world between arranged and forced marriage.

So, let’s look at the situation. Firstly, it’s flawed that the resolution itself does not make this distinction clear. Secondly, is it possible to have a situation where an arranged marriage is not forced, and if not, is it appropriate that the WA is legislating against this?

I believe it is possible to have an arranged marriage that is not forced, but this distinction is very prone to abuse. Personally, I would not support legislation against arranged marriage, seeing it is customary in many cultures and, in my mind, not overly oppressive.

It does not matter for this proposal that arranged marriages are prone to abuse. This legislation does not deal with legalisation of arranged marriages; it is only concerned with prohibiting forced marriages. I believe that prohibiting forced marriages is a good thing, therefore I’m giving Christian Democrats his first ever ‘Eist-Seal-of-Approval’ ^TM.

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GA Resolution: Forced Marriages Ban Act

Post by Markanite on Aug 14, 2011 9:45:04 GMT -5

Post by Anime Daisuki on Aug 14, 2011 10:06:45 GMT -5

Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 10:24:20 GMT -5

Post by Iontan on Aug 14, 2011 12:12:53 GMT -5

Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 12:22:01 GMT -5

Post by Blbbo on Aug 14, 2011 13:09:28 GMT -5

Post by Eist on Aug 14, 2011 13:54:58 GMT -5

Post by Markanite on Aug 14, 2011 14:03:22 GMT -5

Post by Blbbo on Aug 14, 2011 14:09:49 GMT -5

Post by The Arcana on Aug 14, 2011 14:41:39 GMT -5

Post by LUAC on Aug 16, 2011 8:02:28 GMT -5

Post by Markanite on Aug 17, 2011 2:59:43 GMT -5