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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 27, 2011 20:37:20 GMT -5

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Post by Grub (Lenlyvit) on May 27, 2011 20:37:20 GMT -5

It is with regret that I must inform you that the TITO Knighthood of the former nation of Just Guy aka Guy0307 has been revoked. This is unfortunately the first time a TITO Knight has lost their Knight status and this decision was not done lightly.

Besides just reaching the 50 battle star mark, a TITO Knight is supposed to represent the best of TITO. TITO Knight's are supposed to be role models to all TITO nations and Guy's actions have fallen far short of what is acceptable for our Knights.

The reason for this decision is that Guy knowingly broke the TITO rule of fraternizing with invaders. As a result he resigned from TITO and that should have been the end of that. Unfortunately, shortly after leaving TITO, Guy joined the invader region of Europeia. Upon joining their region, Guy pledged to, among other things, "bear true allegiance to the Republic of Europeia..." Needless to say, continued associations with invaders and then pledging allegiance to an invader region is completely unacceptable for the high standard of a TITO Knight.

While Guy's knighthood is being removed, it is important to note that Guy has never taken part in an invasion as far as I know. Regardless, his actions still remain below that of a TITO Knight.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 0:35:54 GMT -5

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Post by Twobagger on May 28, 2011 0:35:54 GMT -5

Yeah, what a shame.

It's always terrible to lose someone like this, but it's just so much more so when that person served our region the way Guy did: as a Delegate, Senator, in TITO and as a friend to many in the region.

How bitter it must be to go out like this.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 0:47:36 GMT -5

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Post by Guy on May 28, 2011 0:47:36 GMT -5

You might like to know that I am a defender. I am currently organising the revival of the Rejected Realms Army, together with Wopruthien from the FRA. I have never invaded.

May 27, 2011 21:37:21 GMT -5 iPad/GIR - The Awesome One said:

That is very sad to hear. I always thought Guy would go down with some dignity, but now, I don't know what to think.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 0:51:30 GMT -5

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Post by Takaram on May 28, 2011 0:51:30 GMT -5

And Grub mentions in his last sentence that you have never, to our knowledge, invaded, hence why you are still able to post here. However, you declared yourself a citizen of Europeia, hardly an action becoming of a TITO Knight.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:27:49 GMT -5

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Post by Anime Daisuki on May 28, 2011 1:27:49 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 0:47:36 GMT -5 Guy said:

You might like to know that I am a defender. I am currently organising the revival of the Rejected Realms Army, together with Wopruthien from the FRA.

Yes, we are aware you have joined The Rejected Realms. We are also aware of the timing of that. You moved your WA nation to TRR a few days after May 24, when a political situation broke out in Europeia which saw the exit of their President, Delegate, Military commander, etc.

Now it is impossible to know whether you had intended to join TRR since the very beginning, or you joined it only because people you know had left Europeia. Regardless, it does not change our decision. Your removal from Knighthood is based on where you were then, not where you are now.

Good luck with the revival of TRR and we look forward to working with you and Wop as fellow defenders.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:29:21 GMT -5

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Post by Bad Infinitum on May 28, 2011 1:29:21 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 1:24:27 GMT -5 Sir Lans said:

I so remember a long and tenuous relationship/friendship I had with Meridian...yet, I wasn't swayed, but continued to be her friend until she dropped out of existance....and now I'm here.

She and I still talk on the phone from time to time, actually. I've never stepped an inch over XKI's borders, though.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:33:48 GMT -5

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Post by Crazy Girl on May 28, 2011 1:33:48 GMT -5

Wow.

Europeia itself is not an invader region. It's a region with an invader army attached to it. Just like how the RR is neutral itself, but has a defender army attached to it.

I also never got your dislike for talking to other NS players from the other side. It was your call, I respected that, but I always encouraged my soldiers to go ahead and talk to them. They are players just like us, ad we're all playing a fun game together. It helps to keep in mind that there is a human behind that other (invading) nation, and you might like them.

Over the years, I've had plenty of invader friends. Does that make me any less of a defender? I think not. But it always helped me to keep in mind that it's a game. And I'm still having fun.

Guy is now bringing new life to the RRA, after it sadly faded in my absence. I have full confidence that he will not betray my trust. Talking to invaders, and befriending invaders does not make you any less of a defender.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:38:39 GMT -5

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Post by Guy on May 28, 2011 1:38:39 GMT -5

Actually, for full disclosure, this is the true sequence of events.

(1) My nation is ejected from a region in which TITO have been deployed, as I overstayed.
(2) I resign from TITO
(3) My nation stays in the RR for a few days
(4) I receive an invitation from a Europeian to move my WA to Europeia.
(5) After much deliberation, I switch my WA and move my new WA into Europeia, although it was never intended to be permanent -- I still had no idea what I plan to do.
(6) RRA discussions begin
(7) I become aware of the 'political situation' in Europeia
(8) My WA nation moves to the RR -- as I am given the nod to lead the RRA.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:46:29 GMT -5

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Post by Bad Infinitum on May 28, 2011 1:46:29 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 1:38:39 GMT -5 Guy said:

(2) I resign from TITO
(4) I receive an invitation from a Europeian to move my WA to Europeia.
(5) After much deliberation, I switch my WA and move my new WA into Europeia, although it was never intended to be permanent

Actually, in the interest of full disclosure, these are the important parts.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:46:33 GMT -5

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Post by Twobagger on May 28, 2011 1:46:33 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 1:32:49 GMT -5 Free Guns For All said:

Wait, so is Guy good or bad? I'm really confused right now.

I don't know that it's this simple.

We know that he joined a region that's associated with invading, and we know that he's broken TITO rules by fraternizing with the enemy (i.e. making friends with invaders). We know that he resigned from TITO for this. We know that he's served with and alongside us as Delegate, Senator, and in TITO. We know that he's done a good deal for the region, and been a very prominent member in his time here.

As to whether he's good or bad, you could ask four different people in this thread and get four different answers. I'm a little fuzzy on the bad... I just know he's done a fair amount of good.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 1:50:03 GMT -5

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Post by Bad Infinitum on May 28, 2011 1:50:03 GMT -5

Well... all that matters is the here and now. The fact that he's done so much good and threw it all away speaks volumes more than if it was just some new guy.

Personally, as I've stated before (often and recently), if it were me that left and joined a raider region, I'd expect to be shamed out of existence here. It's that simple. He was warned, several times, and he picked a side. That side wasn't us, he shouldn't expect our support.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:06:54 GMT -5

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Post by Bad Infinitum on May 28, 2011 2:06:54 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 2:00:54 GMT -5 Biyah said:

Bravo Ad Infinitum, you’ve proved to all that you’re a horses arse.

At least I don't suck.

HEYO.

Seriously, though. I know I am. At least I know where I stand... unlike some certain guys in this thread.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:08:04 GMT -5

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Post by Sir Lans on May 28, 2011 2:08:04 GMT -5

Biyah, you are by no means anyone to speak of integrity nor honor towards a region nor nation that is speaking their mind (considering what you have done in the past) on *their own turf* concerning their own beliefs.

You are a feeder soiled dove, always have been and always will be. Please go back to whatever feeder you came from and kindly stay out of affairs that don't concern you.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:19:45 GMT -5

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Post by Sir Lans on May 28, 2011 2:19:45 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 2:11:15 GMT -5 Bad Infinitum said:

Yes! Here! Biyah feeeeeds off of drama. We want him to continue trolling regions he has no business in forever and ever, we need him nourished and healthy.

Yes, this is what Biyah does...has always done. Nothing new here really. "Wait for some kind of controversy" and then drop in and act as if the feederite gods have handed him the throne of wisdom of all that is wise and good.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:21:52 GMT -5

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Post by Naivetry on May 28, 2011 2:21:52 GMT -5

I'm a little confused by the reactions here.

Just Guy "knowingly broke the TITO rule of fraternizing with invaders. As a result he resigned from TITO"...

Both Sir Lans and Ad Infinitum have just admitted to doing the same thing - fraternizing with invaders. The only difference is that they didn't (and weren't asked to) resign from TITO for it.

She and I still talk on the phone from time to time, actually. I've never stepped an inch over XKI's borders, though.

PAI - you had no reason to. You never had to resign from TITO for talking to a raider friend.

Is there something going on here that isn't visible to us non-Islanders, or have I misunderstood the circumstances of Guy's initial resignation?

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:24:54 GMT -5

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Post by Bad Infinitum on May 28, 2011 2:24:54 GMT -5

1. I was in RIA at the time, still working with TITO, but befriending Meridianland while she was still undercover as Nosultan. Our friendship lasted until she was revealed to be Meri, ceased until she quit the game, and resumed shortly thereafter. We didn't exchange phone numbers until months after she had quit playing.

2. I also never left the region to apply for citizenship in LWU. That would have been too far, and I would have expected the same treatment Guy is getting now if I had done so.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:27:12 GMT -5

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May 28, 2011 2:21:52 GMT -5 Naivetry said:

I'm a little confused by the reactions here.

Just Guy "knowingly broke the TITO rule of fraternizing with invaders. As a result he resigned from TITO"...
[snip]

Is there something going on here that isn't visible to us non-Islanders, or have I misunderstood the circumstances of Guy's initial resignation?

I think the pertinent post here is AD's from earlier:

May 28, 2011 1:27:49 GMT -5 Anime Daisuki said:

Yes, we are aware you have joined The Rejected Realms. We are also aware of the timing of that. You moved your WA nation to TRR a few days after May 24, when a political situation broke out in Europeia which saw the exit of their President, Delegate, Military commander, etc.

Now it is impossible to know whether you had intended to join TRR since the very beginning, or you joined it only because people you know had left Europeia. Regardless, it does not change our decision. Your removal from Knighthood is based on where you were then, not where you are now.

Good luck with the revival of TRR and we look forward to working with you and Wop as fellow defenders.

-AD

So it seems that Guy was judged based on his starting up and continuing a friendship with someone he knew to be an invader as well as putting his lot in with a region with strong invader ties, for however short a time.

At least, I think I've got that right.

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Guy's Knighthood Revoked May 28, 2011 2:28:41 GMT -5

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Post by Sir Lans on May 28, 2011 2:28:41 GMT -5

May 28, 2011 2:21:52 GMT -5 Naivetry said:

I'm a little confused by the reactions here.

Just Guy "knowingly broke the TITO rule of fraternizing with invaders. As a result he resigned from TITO"...

Both Sir Lans and Ad Infinitum have just admitted to doing the same thing - fraternizing with invaders. The only difference is that they didn't (and weren't asked to) resign from TITO for it.

She and I still talk on the phone from time to time, actually. I've never stepped an inch over XKI's borders, though.

PAI - you had no reason to. You never had to resign from TITO for talking to a raider friend.

Is there something going on here that isn't visible to us non-Islanders, or have I misunderstood the circumstances of Guy's initial resignation?

I was also friends with Meri Long before I was in 10ki...and that was only shmoozing for info - you were there Nai. You know this.

Enough said

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