Werewolves 19

[Markanite]

That doesn't make sense to me either First, but they could have thought he was keeping a low profile because he may have had a power role.

[Firstaria]

Oh...the point is who is they? This name has been picked from random 8 ones, if you remember the rules correctly.

[Randomain]

It was probably just a random pick, but more importantly we must try to come up with a way to use this day phase to our best advatage

[Firstaria]

I think that the only way we can think is...to realize first what is this game.

Reading the rules, things might be truly hard, but there is someone we could ALL agree to target: the Archangel. We might believe he's a sort of seer for the villager, but his job is to SURVIVE alone.

So, if he cannot kill, what he would do? He would try to sit and watch, or suggestion us to kill each other. We should point out those who are trying to lynch or those who are clearly just making presence.

Also, the Rebel too is part of this "alone group" which surely is the minority, therefore a target that everyone should enjoy killing.

[Aersoldorf]

I have a question, and maybe I'm missing something. But if the werewolves this game are the equivalent of the villagers from prior games then why would the werewolves vote randomly at night to kill someone? If they're the only ones who can kill at night, then aren't they taking a huge risk of killing one of their own? They are already voting during the day on whom to lynch and at least that method gives us something to go on for future choices. Voting privately at night seems to me to not help the team all that much. Or am I overlooking something again?

[Randomain]

Yes Aerso I think you're right. Only exception is that if none of us normal wolves vote at night the rebels vote wins at default (unless I've understood the the rules wrong) giving us a possibility for interference, which I don't know if it's good or bad. So..
a) only the rebel votes and we might be able to find him out by his votes
b) one of us makes the mistake of trying for a kill in any night, totally skews the previous point and we're screwed
c) we all vote for total chaos
d) only the rebel votes and he does some kind of a maneuver to cover his or the Archs' ass

I probably missed some possibilities so please add...

[Elite]

Well, if one thing's for sure, the villagers don't have much of a chance of winning this.

[Firstaria]

I'm sadly noticing that this game is a great idea, but is presenting a situation where there is simply no way to enact logic or get clues.

Any lynch is a random secret though of someone, different every night. So we can't do anything at day unless we use one sadly dirty tactic:

Everyone do not kill anyone. Since only the werewolves can kill, let the seers do their job. When the werewolf seer finds the Rebel, he posts the name and the werewolves lynch it...and the game is over: neither the villagers or the Archangel can kill, it will just be a seer game therefore on.

[Barry]

First, the problem is that if the Alpha Wolf (seer) does scan a wolf, under the rules he doesn't know whether he's found a regular wolf or the Rebel wolf. The seer can't just announce he's the Alpha Wolf and he's found a wolf, or the Rebel wolf will nominate him every night.

Although I agree it will be hard for the innocents to win since they can't nominate a kill at night, they and the Archangel & Rebel Wolf still have the advantage that the Alpha Wolf can't build a community because he doesn't know what kind of wolf he's scanned.

[Firstaria]

Which brings me to the point 1 again: how we are suppose to form a group?

[Aersoldorf]

Why do you refer to the villagers as 'the innocents' Barry? They are the bad guys this go round.

[Barry]

Your right, Aerso. They should be called "villagers". Old habits are hard to break with the new role reversal.

[Aersoldorf]

Freudian slip? ;D

[Barry]

Nope.

Vote: Lynch Aerso

So there......
;D

[Aersoldorf]

[Barry]

LOL

[Aersoldorf]

I think I'm with First. If we never vote, the seer can eventually scan us all

[Barry]

The problem with that is the seer's chances for a successful scan are only 50%, while the rebel wolf is assuring someone is killed off every night. Then, when does the Alpha Wolf (seer) reveal himself and those he's successfully scanned? When he's found a villager, the Archangel, or a couple wolves? Problem there is it's suicide because once the seer has disclosed himself, the rebel wolf submits his name every night, and the others still won't know the role of the disclosed wolves...This is tough. Others' thoughts?

[Aersoldorf]

That makes sense as well, but I still feel it's a bad idea to vote at night.

[Barry]

Yeah, you're probably right. The Rebel Wolf's night vote is no different from the old Assassin's, I guess.

[Randomain]

Oct 13, 2012 15:35:35 GMT -5 Barry said:

The problem with that is the seer's chances for a successful scan are only 50%, while the rebel wolf is assuring someone is killed off every night. Then, when does the Alpha Wolf (seer) reveal himself and those he's successfully scanned? When he's found a villager, the Archangel, or a couple wolves? Problem there is it's suicide because once the seer has disclosed himself, the rebel wolf submits his name every night, and the others still won't know the role of the disclosed wolves...This is tough. Others' thoughts?

Also the seer can't really PM the wolves he's scanned because he might end up revealing himself to the rebel since he doesn't know what kind of wolves he's scanned

Oct 13, 2012 15:50:10 GMT -5 Aersoldorf said:

That makes sense as well, but I still feel it's a bad idea to vote at night.

but if we don't vote at night the rebel has free reign of who dies at night

Thus I can only conclude that this game will be total chaos from the beginning to the end

[Firstaria]

Lynch: No Lynch

Just to avoid random deaths until I get how to play this game.

[Barry]

Yeah, I don't want to risk randomly killing off somebody who's trying to help us figure this all out.

VOTE: Change from Lynch Aerso to NO LYNCH

[Surdra]

ya blue on blue isn't fun for anyone

Vote: No Lynch

[Javatania]

Agreed.

Vote: No Lynch

[Calanria]

The day hours are marked by confused discussion and apprehension. Eventually a consensus develops where all parties agree that lynching during the day is a bad idea; they would rather sit it out and wait.

"This party is certainly a different group from the previous," muses Archangel to himself. "Perhaps something ought to be done about that."

Archangel's thoughts dwindle into unconsciousness as night awakens the beasts within the Wolves.

Day 2 ends. Nobody is lynched.
Night 2 begins and will last a maximum of 24 hours.
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Well, it's been two days and you guys have already exposed a fatal flaw in my game design. I suppose I should have expected that.

In light of this, I'm instituting a rule change: Any day phase from this point forward that you do not vote to lynch anybody, Archangel will freeze everyone but the villagers and allow the villagers to kill one individual. This is in an effort to make things easier on the villagers who are otherwise completely doomed right now.

[Firstaria]

Oh great, now we are truly gonna have to random lynch. I'll suggest the silent ones, since they offer nothing to the game.

[Free Guns For All]

This just got interesting... more so.

[Calanria]

Despite the resolution of the wolves the previous day to hold off on any killing, blood is still spilled in the forest this night.

Frustrated howls and gnashing of teeth perforates the night's quiet atmosphere, a large growl and yelp emanating from the depths as a wolf strikes his target.

The morning reveals the bloody corpse to be that of a very large wolf, much larger than that of Apamicia the night before.

The villagers and Archangel are silently elated as they realize the identity of the dead wolf: Barry, the Alpha.

Suddenly, the wolves' plans have gone quickly downhill.

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Well, look at that, you guys took care of the exploit for me.

Night 2 ends. Barry (Alpha Werewolf) killed.
Day 3 begins and will last 48 hours.

[Boltor]

Ok going with my gut.

Vote: Lynch Javatania