Government conspiracies

[Myleslhk]

I really do wonder about some of them. Like the infamous Kennedy "Magic bullet".

And alien saucers are mostly prototype planes by the government, I believe. Like the triangular stealth fighter we are all familiar. People have once believed them to be other-worldly because it violated the principle of aerodynamic. We now know it was done on purpose.

Simply put, I believe in evidences. Not theory, but data. Human lies, numbers and data do not. Lacking facts, everything appears to be odd.

If you show Newton an I-phone, he will be shocked. But only until he took it apart. That's what I think.

[Vorian]

The one thing I think we truly do not know is the new technology and weapons being produced by our government. I think Area 51 is actually a new weapons test base, and that the government is developing technology beyond our comprehension.

[Brigadia]

Jan 28, 2013 18:54:42 GMT -5 Vorian said:

The one thing I think we truly do not know is the new technology and weapons being produced by our government. I think Area 51 is actually a new weapons test base, and that the government is developing technology beyond our comprehension.

That is what the official explanation of area 51 is. If you look at some conspiracies like 9/11 just as a quick example, there are people who have brought compelling evidence to the table with these things. If your curious watch loose change. That was a real question raiser and eye opener for me.

As for aliens, well lemme just say i find real hard to believe were the only form of intelligent life out there

[Magthere]

Of course theirs always the XKCD method of answering these conspiracy theories.

On the moon landings:
xkcd.com/1074/

On 9/11
xkcd.com/966/ xkcd.com/690/

On Conspiracies in general:
xkcd.com/258/

[Myleslhk]

Jan 24, 2013 16:30:17 GMT -5 Batman country said:

Fake moon landing? As if. Your friend is a genuine idiot to believe that, sorry to say.

My uncle was an esteemed sailor aboard the USS Kearsarge, which picked up a capsule that went into space. He literally has pictures and videos of it falling out the sky.

It is possible that they have edited the moon landing video, and unexpectedly a conspiracy grew from finer details. I mean, why shouldn't they edit the video to make it more decent for the public?

More to the point, I would go so far to say that even if (a big if) they shot the video in a studio, so what? It does not prove or disprove the moon-landing.

For that matter, let go even further and say the first moon-landing is indeed falsified. And then?

Does that change the fact that the earth is filled with plastic bottles and virtually all other products for or by space research that will pollute earth for basically forever?

Or that most developing countries burn insane amount of money and resources into space program and few even produced a model for their government office worth looking at? While their citizens could certainly benefit greatly with these infinite amount of wealth into health care, education, even business development?

I will not flame at others, though I failed utterly in understanding why someone can be obsessive about conspiracy like this. It has no productive value whatsoever.

[Shpeltzland]

I am in total agreement on the moon landing conspiracy, I doubt it was faked, but you know what, who cares. We should be focussing on the issues of our own planet. The moon landing was important (or seemed that way) at the time, but now we have no reason to spend all these resources going up in space.

Anyway, conspiracies I do buy into:

The Kennedy assassination:

This goes much further than just a magic bullet. The most interesting story behind this is the story of a Lee Harvey Oswald.

He was a U.S. citizen, who defected to the soviet union at a young age. He married, had kids there. His wife just happened to be the niece of a colonel, and the information he passed to the Soviet Union was probably outdated. This leads to suspicions of him working for the CIA, but things get really odd when he moves back to the U.S. with his wife and kids.

At this time he starts handing out pro-castro flyers in New Orleans... out of an office with an adjoining door to a CIA agent by the name of Guy Bannister. Bannister was working on getting rid of Castro. So that's a little odd. My theory is that Oswald was told he was doing this so that it would look like Castro was something to fight against within the U.S. with supporters everywhere and similar. What it actually amounted to be was the beginning of his set up.

Oh yeah, and before I move on to the actual death, there is a letter from the CIA director at the time acknowledging that Oswald was working for them.

Now, I'm sure you all know about the magic bullet. It shot multiple people, doing practically a 180 in mid air. And as the government pait physicist tells us. It technically could have happened.

There is of course, even more to it. Ties with the mob and FBI as well as the CIA. Guns found near the scene. THe possible real murder weapon found in a hotel in Terra Haute (before it disappeared again). The mysterious deaths of police officers. The assassination of Oswald just after he claimed he was going to say everything he new... And the endless speculation of who actually killed Kennedy and why.

I am all conspiracied out for now. I was going to go into more detail on the above, and go into the oddities of 9/11. I can go into further detail on either one of those if anyone wants. Presently, however, I'm a little tired. Just ask though and I'll have what I know up tomorrow or later this evening.

[Duckyian Empire]

About the Kennedy assassination, I think that all the files about it will be declassified...in about 500 years or so...

[Magthere]

According to my local newspaper which got it's news from the Associated Press, Scientists have found an Earth like planet only 13 light years away from us.

Aliens becoming slightly more plausible for visits...

[Zanzor]

I have 1 question to all the people that believe that we did not land on the moon, how did we get a load of mirrors on the moon if no one put them there?

I also believe we are not alone in the universe. If you consider the universe is 14bil years old and the earth is 4bil year old, and if man came in to being at after 23:55, using a 24hour clock for the life of the earth. Scientists also believe that there are 1k-5k planets in the Milky Way that could hold life, and there are 100's of galaxies out there. So the idea that we are alone becomes silly, also the idea that we are the most advanced is also standing on shaky ground.

Is it possible to travel at over the speed of light? Now theory of relativity is out by 10%, in today's world if you’re out by more than 0.5% you'll get laughed out of science. Now E = mc² works, but science is now looking for dark matter which they think is 84% of the universe, which make the m in E = mc² so much bigger so much so it blows it out of the water. Although it’s a theory many take it as fact/law, but science has not come up with a better idea, mainly because it’s treated like a law and not a theory. So to travel to at over the speed of light is possibly possible. Also they use the standard model of the universe to show you that the speed of light is the fastest, but the standard model only works one way, and that's reverse it does not work going forward.

There are still things on this planet that are man made, but we can not do them today, so where did they come from?

Project blue book was set up to look in to UFO sightings, and they came back non proven. The UK also did one that had the same result, but that was done to disprove UFO's, also I may add they always denied that they were ever doing it until they released the paper work on it, so that was a cover up.

So yes I think the Governments of this world are covering up life on other planets. They also hide what is happening at area 51 and what happen at Roswell.

[Mondragonia]

Jan 15, 2013 17:17:26 GMT -5 Atest said:

I find the notion of a domineering government that is able to successfully control all possible variables in its internal and external affairs to be both unrealistic and irrational.

Elegantly put.

A further point is that humans are useless at keeping secrets. To postulate that a secret world government, or massive secret plans & plots by, e.g. the UN, could stay secret, is to ignore this simple fact. It really wouldn't be secret for long, given the sheer number of civil servants/contractors/passers-by, etc. that would be involved.

More worryingly, conspiracy theories have similar psychological "profiles" to religious cults, extreme political groups & crime-gangs.

The only conspiracy I suspect is a conspiracy of greed & jumping on bandwagons, with the sole intent to part punters from their money:
"Buy my orgone generator^* & kill chemtrails", or "Buy my book/DVD on a subject of which I have no experience or knowledge."

As to aliens & UFOs, first, the aliens have to know we're here, & then they have to get here. Given the universal limit of C, they haven't had time. That aliens exist in the universe I have no real doubt, but that they're anywhere near our system is highly questionable. UFOs are mostly IFOs in very short order. As to the rest, I doubt alien incursion, & strongly suspect terrestrial origins, with perhaps a bit of satellite/meteor every now & then.

^* 'Barbarella 1968'

[Zanzor]

It's not hard to cover something up for a government or religion.

Firstly there is the why would they lie to us. So many people do not like to think they are lied to. Also get the press on side and enough debunkers. Then make the other side look like idiots and you start to get what you want, the general populace believing the Government/religion. One of the main problems with humans is a herd mentality.

One of the thing you have to remember is it's not that long ago that it was though we were at the centre of the universe and they had the mathematical data to back it up, it's the same with the earth being flat. Go against any of those ideas and you were ridiculed by every one.

It's hard for people of today to except that we are not the most advanced people that has ever lived here or any where in the universe. Which is ignorance, self importance or pomp. As prove I give you one of the greatest modern engineering feats. Levitated Mass and getting ready to move the mass . But the problem is it's not that big, quite small in fact. It's a 340-ton boulder, the heaviest thing that we could move today, but The Western Stone and the statue at Ramesseum were moved in the time of simple uneducated people, that apparently used salves an logs to move the stones. Also were using simple rudimentary equipment to carve them. Then you have Puma Punku AD 536–600, a place where they did to stone what we are only just learning to do today. Puma Punku is a place where even archaeologists can't explain what happened.

So either we have forgotten so much and are just starting to learn how to do it again, or we had help from some where. These are things that are not talked about because we don't understand them, but they are there. There is so much stuff out there on this planet, that points to that our understanding of history is wrong, but because we can not except that we are not the most advanced we ignore it.

[Mal]

Jan 25, 2013 3:37:20 GMT -5 Brigadia said:

If you look at some of the evidence surrounding it, its enough to make you wonder at the very least.

I don't thing it was an inside job. But please take the opportunity to convince me otherwise?

[The Uncommon United Ones]

I believe that there are definitely some thing the US has done to us since the inception of the government in the name of "progress" or "National Security" but I don't believe EVERYTHING just because they have done bad things before. I believe the NWO is is a pipe-dream of the super wealthy and just won't work. There is no way they could enforce it just too many variables to keep us all down. I think the possibility of martial law and mass causality preparedness and the AMMO purchases by DHS recently is pretty scary. There is a tiny little part of me that insists that "they" (the Govt.) who is really "us" (Of The People, By The People, For The People) are really just trying to protect "our way of life" which is now so eclectic I'm not sure anyone knows what "our way of life" really is anymore... and maybe that really is our way of life.

[Atest]

Why would the United States, if 9/11 was an inside job, instigate such an elaborate plan when, just 8 years ago, Al Qaeda nearly car bombed the World Trade Center? Could you not simply bomb the building and blame it on Al Qaeda, as opposed to throwing planes at everything.

And, if the moon landing is a hoax, what would motivate the USSR to keep it a secret? They had spies everywhere listening on everything and, with how public the whole ordeal was, they would have surely checked.

[Mal]

Feb 18, 2013 11:53:43 GMT -5 Atest said:

Why would the United States, if 9/11 was an inside job, instigate such an elaborate plan when, just 8 years ago, Al Qaeda nearly car bombed the World Trade Center? Could you not simply bomb the building and blame it on Al Qaeda, as opposed to throwing planes at everything.

I agree. There are some who would say that the bombing in '93 was too far removed and that the new administration needed a new cause of action to invade Afghanistan. I've been a Democrat since 1995, but I seriously doubt that the Bush Administration or any other government entity would risk exposure by engaging in a plot to attack us like this.

Ijust don't see it as a plausible theory. As I said before, in any large conspiracy, there is always a risk of being disvcovered.

Often times, when things like this happen, we look for compiocated answers because we can't believe that we let ourselves get to complacent that we would let something like this happen. In the 17th century, a British theoratician named Occam said in essence that the "simplest explanation is usuaully the one that's true.

Put simply, we ignored warning signs, we didn't take an attack on our home soil to be a serious threat, and we became complacent.

And, if the moon landing is a hoax, what would motivate the USSR to keep it a secret? They had spies everywhere listening on everything and, with how public the whole ordeal was, they would have surely checked.

This is a favorite of mine and the idea that the moon landing was faked ifails because of what you said. Contrary to popular belief, the Soviets were just as adept at espionage as we are. They would have loved to show that we faked the landings as a way to embarass us.

In addition to the spies, they also had orbiting satellites and radio telescopes. It wouldn't have been very hard for them to prove we were lying if that was indeed the case.

[Zanzor]

I don't know how many of you have heard of Dr Steven Greer. Well he has a documentary coming out in just under a months time, it was supposed to be last year, but now it's on April 22, 2013 in Los Angeles, CA.

Some of you may find it interesting.

[Mayans]

I don't believe that Area 51 is where aliens and supernatural beings are being experimented on and hidden, I believe that the moon landing was staged there. There's a whole load of evidence which I'm sure most of you know about to show that the moon landing was faked and to be honest I reckon that's what Area 51 is for. I do sometimes however believe it could be for something else, but not anything to do with aliens.

[Zanzor]

Mar 15, 2013 11:50:45 GMT -5 Mayans said:

I don't believe that Area 51 is where aliens and supernatural beings are being experimented on and hidden, I believe that the moon landing was staged there. There's a whole load of evidence which I'm sure most of you know about to show that the moon landing was faked and to be honest I reckon that's what Area 51 is for. I do sometimes however believe it could be for something else, but not anything to do with aliens.

I think you'll find that current conspiracies theory's will say your both right and wrong.

While the moon landing did take place, it was also pre-recorded at area 51. The reason for the pre-recording is they didn't know what they would find up there, so had to have back up so not to scare people on Earth. Have you ever wondered why the only footage of the moon landing is what was shown at the time, seeing they did take a lot of cameras with them and none of that ever came out. When asked about it they say they can't find it.

A lot of countries around the world have released documents regarding UFO sightings, even the UK who always denied they were doing it, in fact the only time it came out is when they were released the data. Russia has released stuff and they were over the top on keeping stuff quite. One of the few countries in the world not not say or release anything is the US, who are actively debunking everything every one else is releasing.

[Javatania]

For the moon landing thing, scientists on Earth point lasers at dishes left on the Moon by the astronauts, and they use it to measure the distance between. If you had a high enough power telescope you'd be able to see the left over debris.

[UnitedPeoples Republic of Will]

Jan 25, 2013 12:10:22 GMT -5 Aersoldorf said:

Jan 22, 2013 12:45:24 GMT -5 Escanaba said:

A vast government conspiracy would be impossible simply because government cannot keep a secret. Any secret, no matter how important or trivial, is eventually leaked.

I'm not advocating a VAST conspiracy, although I do think a small cabal within the government has done some things that none of us would be happy about.

This is right. I don't believe that they're putting chips in people's heads, that they faked the moon landing, BUT I know almost FOR SURE that there ARE some things they're hiding from us. Some things that may infuriate us if we find out, and some that may be better for us to remain ignorant of.

[Deleted]

I personally believe in government conspires like the kennedy assassination but I believe the moon landing was real

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

Feb 5, 2013 20:05:46 GMT -5 Duckyian Empire said:

About the Kennedy assassination, I think that all the files about it will be declassified...in about 500 years or so...

I wouldn't put it pass them.

[Duckyian Empire]

Jul 25, 2013 17:02:22 GMT -5 Greek People Nation (GPN) said:

Feb 5, 2013 20:05:46 GMT -5 Duckyian Empire said:

About the Kennedy assassination, I think that all the files about it will be declassified...in about 500 years or so...

I wouldn't put it pass them.

What do you mean?

I wrote that post during my infancy here in XKI and NS in general.

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

That it want be declassified for a while because the government had something to do with it.

[Mal]

OK: I'm going out on a limb. The popular belief is that we did land on the moon. The popular belief is that the attacks of 9/11 were indeed carried out by Saudis and not the U.S. Government. The popular belief is that Area 51 is where experimental aircraft made by U.S. manufactures is tested by the DoD.

If you're a conspiracy person, I invite you to prove me wrong.

I used to know this guy who said that there is a conspiracy to make us all answerable to one world government. The problem is, if it is true, it's taken them over 100 years. I hope it's false because I don't want anyone THAT inefficient running the show.