Anyone here likes the Metal Gear Solid franchise?

[Candlewhisper]

MGS fan here.

I think the Grand Debate Hall (from looking at other threads in it) is meant for debating.

So let's change this to a debate.

Do we think that the unarguable "male gaze" viewpoint in the MGS series is a problem?

freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2015/09/13/illustrating-male-gaze-in-metal-gear-solid-v/

[fidelita]

Absolutely not. Both males and females are objectified in this game because... it's Metal Gear. It's a military fantasy fiction. Look at The Boss. She beated out Big Boss the entire game, physically and mentally. She's such a great character, one of the greatest fictionized characters in history.
But... there's regression with MGSV.

(i didn't see anywhere to post it)

[Candlewhisper]

For general chat, try taco island.

Regarding sexism and MGS, I'm personally of the opinion that the depiction of this character is sexist. Its not just that she is clearly in her underwear and modelled as an erotic fantasy. Rather, its to do with the camerawork that follows the character. Google Quiet+MGS5+Objectification and you'll see the relevant images and videos, which I won't link here.

Its not just Quiet either, but a large number of things about the game. The soldiers in the game are mostly male, and can be distracted by dropping magazines of softcore porn. There's various pervy easter eggs, like Snake jerking off in a locker to a picture of a Japanese model, there's creepy a photo minigame, there's an unnecessarily underdressed Paz piloting a Metal Gear, Eva unzipping to expose her breasts and so on. The game is absolutely stuffed full of male gaze animation and camerawork: just about any female character has loving lingering shots on her breasts and bottom.

On the male side, we've got Raiden running around naked for a level, but his pose is never sexualised, but rather his nakedness is played for laughs. Again, its the camera-eye of a teenage boy: "lulz, look at the girly boy crouched over, covering his junk".

There certainly are strong female characters (like Big Boss) but even she finds an excuse to unzip. Of course, strong female characters make a game non-sexist like a KKK member having a black friend would make him non-racist. You take the lowest point, not the highest.

That's not to say these aren't great games, and you can probably tell I've played all these games to death, and I'll happily change the subject if its tiresome. I just thought that for the sake of the Debate Hall, this is a great topic to discuss.

[Lunartica]

lol, I was listening to Snake Eater.