Condemn the Red Fleet

[brasilia]

I propose a debate on a possible condemnation of the Red Fleet on the Security Council. It is unacceptable that a military organization of Antifa and sister regions receive a recommendation for services provided in the fight against "anti-fascism". This invader military organization has only the goal of conquering as many regions as possible and spreading the ideology of communism throughout the world of NS. I would also like to propose that TITO should not only be a defender organization, but should also fight against these invader regions, especially those that spread radical ideologies like Nazi Europa, North Korea, the Internationale and others. I look forward to reading not only arguments in favor of my proposal, but also the opposing arguments that will strengthen the democratic process of this debate. 

Thank you!
Good game for all.

[Hahiha / USSR]

TITO (Ten Thousand Islands Treaty) already does fight against Nazi and invader group, TITO is also already a defender organization. Before you condemn ANTIFA it should be noted that TITO has helped them and that ANTIFA in itself is not a radical/communist organization.

For more information:
10000islands.proboards.com/thread/5726 (Early history of TITO)
10000islands.proboards.com/thread/5965/join-tito (How to join TITO)
10000islands.proboards.com/thread/6372/chapter-quick-survival-guide-xki (1.1 has brief info about TITO)

[brasilia]

TITO helped Antifa? o.O

[brasilia]

Is not Antifa a radical left-wing organization? You have already expressed some liberal idea on the Internationale? North Korea? Were you treated in a democratic way? Please do not make me copy the North Korean constitution.

[Hahiha / USSR]

Whether or not it is radical left-wing is of no concern to us (or at least to me), we helped ANTIFA because they are against Nazis and they asked for our help (or so I'm told). As for the rest of your questions, I don't see how real life politics (especially of such a small nationstates) are of any concern to ANTIFA, the Red Fleet, or TITO.

[Klopstock]

Nov 21, 2016 20:00:45 GMT -5 brasilia said:

TITO helped Antifa? o.O

I wouldn't go that far. We have on occasion struck at Nazi invader groups along with Antifa. But on balance, the Red Fleet is predominantely an invader group and we treat them like one.

[brasilia]

Nov 21, 2016 22:13:37 GMT -5 Hahiha / USSR said:

Whether or not it is radical left-wing is of no concern to us (or at least to me), we helped ANTIFA because they are against Nazis and they asked for our help (or so I'm told). As for the rest of your questions, I don't see how real life politics (especially of such a small nationstates) are of any concern to ANTIFA, the Red Fleet, or TITO.

Well... This is a political simulator so yes extremist policies worry me. The Allies fought alongside the Soviet Union against the Nazis but that does not mean that the Russian country was an example of freedom. In my opinion we should defend the democratic ideal just as we defend unprotected regions. If the political ideal does not matter to you why you fight against the Nazis?



or you "USSR" is a member of the Red Fleet?

[Hahiha / USSR]

First off, I'm appalled that you would dare suggest I'm a raider (I cannot describe the magnitude of what you suggest).

Now to get move onto the main point, Nazis and Communists raid each other which is a subset of the normal R/D gameplay. Nazism goes against all of our beliefs, where as Communism does not (objectively democracy is closer to communism than fascism). The main point where we are against Nazis is the racism, whereas that is hardly found in the Communist groups. As to why don't we defend the democratic ideal, forcing our viewpoints down other people's throats would make us antagonistic and hypocritical as we're not a fully democratic region (only 5/9 seats in the Co9 are voted in). Klopstock can probably give better reasons as to why we don't specifically help Nazis at all.

[brasilia]

Nov 22, 2016 21:30:30 GMT -5 Hahiha / USSR said:

First off, I'm appalled that you would dare suggest I'm a raider (I cannot describe the magnitude of what you suggest).

Now to get move onto the main point, Nazis and Communists raid each other which is a subset of the normal R/D gameplay. Nazism goes against all of our beliefs, where as Communism does not (objectively democracy is closer to communism than fascism). The main point where we are against Nazis is the racism, whereas that is hardly found in the Communist groups. As to why don't we defend the democratic ideal, forcing our viewpoints down other people's throats would make us antagonistic and hypocritical as we're not a fully democratic region (only 5/9 seats in the Co9 are voted in). Klopstock can probably give better reasons as to why we don't specifically help Nazis at all.

Oh Sir I'm sorry if I offended you. But it is good to see that you realize how repulsive it is to belong to an organization like the Red Fleet. Yourself suggested that TITO has already aided invader organizations like Antifa. That's a little hypocritical do not you think?

Of course I agree that we must fight against Nazism. But communism is closer to democracy? Well... maybe we should explain this to your friends of North Korea.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I hope everyone understands that I do not want to offend anyone. My only goal is to suggest that we can fight even militarily to help influence a more democratic world in NS.