How many genders?

[Finswedeway]

Maybe XKI has already had this discussion, but it came up again where i live recently. I'll give my opinion but some of you might not like it.

I am transsexual myself. This affects me directly, as these lesbians who play dress up are making a mockery of people, like me, who ACTUALLY experience gender dysphoria and ACTUALLY have to transition in order to not live in pain and suffering. I have gotten a great deal of bullying because of the spectrum brats, who have the audacity to call themselves transgender. But, if you are a nice person, I will call you whatever you want me to call you.

Sorry if I get worked up, this is one of the few subjects I have an opinion on.

[Hahiha / USSR]

When it comes to gender, I only accept male, female, and transgender. I think that people claiming that asexual and other stuff like that is a gender don't know what gender actually is. I'm also unabashed in saying that people who say they are things like "winterkin" are idiots seeking attention. Gender ultimately comes down to your sex and whether or not you align with that sex or the opposite sex (it gets fuzzier with hermaphrodites).

[Dominion of Compassion]

May 10, 2017 23:42:06 GMT -5 Hahiha / USSR said:

When it comes to gender, I only accept male, female, and transgender. I think that people claiming that asexual and other stuff like that is a gender don't know what gender actually is. I'm also unabashed in saying that people who say they are things like "winterkin" are idiots seeking attention. Gender ultimately comes down to your sex and whether or not you align with that sex or the opposite sex (it gets fuzzier with hermaphrodites).

Asexual isn't a gender, it's a sexual orientation consisting of someone who is unattractted to both genders.

[Hahiha / USSR]

True, I've heard people claiming it's a gender, hence why I brought it up.

[HumanSanity]

May 12, 2017 11:54:47 GMT -5 Hahiha / USSR said:

True, I've heard people claiming it's a gender, hence why I brought it up.

There are people who are agender, which is distinct from being asexual or aromantic — both of which are romantic and sexual orientations (and yes those things are different). People have different definitions of what it means to be "agender", however the simplest I've read is people who don't identify with a certain gender — that's obviously distinct from not experiencing sexual or romantic attraction.

I'm also pretty far away from the rest of y'all — people should identify with the gender they identify with — I'm not going to refuse to "recognize" certain people's gender identity or gender pronouns. You do you, I have far better things to do with my time than tell you what you can and can't identify with, and in the interests of decency, I generally don't like telling people they're invalid — that's not "the way it is" that's called being an butthole

[Finswedeway]

May 13, 2017 17:41:09 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

May 12, 2017 11:54:47 GMT -5 Hahiha / USSR said:

True, I've heard people claiming it's a gender, hence why I brought it up.

There are people who are agender, which is distinct from being asexual or aromantic — both of which are romantic and sexual orientations (and yes those things are different). People have different definitions of what it means to be "agender", however the simplest I've read is people who don't identify with a certain gender — that's obviously distinct from not experiencing sexual or romantic attraction.

I'm also pretty far away from the rest of y'all — people should identify with the gender they identify with — I'm not going to refuse to "recognize" certain people's gender identity or gender pronouns. You do you, I have far better things to do with my time than tell you what you can and can't identify with, and in the interests of decency, I generally don't like telling people they're invalid — that's not "the way it is" that's called being an not a very nice person

I see where you are coming from, and I will recognise them if they are good people. However, when they call themselves "transgender" and I try to come out as transgender, problems come up. Namely, in the form of bullying or otherwise not being nice people. This is because these people are regarded as jokes, laughable excuses for humans (I can't say i agree with this). But when I am packed in with them, while I try to be reasonable, and emotionally mature, I still have that negative stigma.

[HumanSanity]

May 13, 2017 19:54:45 GMT -5 Finswedeway said:

May 13, 2017 17:41:09 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

There are people who are agender, which is distinct from being asexual or aromantic — both of which are romantic and sexual orientations (and yes those things are different). People have different definitions of what it means to be "agender", however the simplest I've read is people who don't identify with a certain gender — that's obviously distinct from not experiencing sexual or romantic attraction.

I'm also pretty far away from the rest of y'all — people should identify with the gender they identify with — I'm not going to refuse to "recognize" certain people's gender identity or gender pronouns. You do you, I have far better things to do with my time than tell you what you can and can't identify with, and in the interests of decency, I generally don't like telling people they're invalid — that's not "the way it is" that's called being an not a very nice person

I see where you are coming from, and I will recognise them if they are good people. However, when they call themselves "transgender" and I try to come out as transgender, problems come up. Namely, in the form of bullying or otherwise not being nice people. This is because these people are regarded as jokes, laughable excuses for humans (I can't say i agree with this). But when I am packed in with them, while I try to be reasonable, and emotionally mature, I still have that negative stigma.

I'm not sure I 100% understand what you're saying, and I definitely approach this from a different perspective (I'm a cis male) but this feel like a very reactionary way of approaching the question. What I mean is that, the fact that non-binary trans people are targeted/laughed at by the conservative/establishment elements, isn't something I would hold against them. Moreover, just because non-binary folks became what the right was able to claim as the most extreme version of what they despised, doesn't necessarily make them less earning of my respect/support. The idea that non-binary folks are overly sensitive individuals ruining the reputation of other trans people, reminds me of how bi people were/are called "special snowflakes" who just "can't decide" whether they're gay or straight, or how aro/ace people are told they just "haven't met the right person" or are coded by society as gay and their identity is invalid because it doesn't fit within the mainstream conception of a possible romantic/gender orientation — these things seem to devalue those identities. I'm not going to discuss who gets to declare themselves trans and not, since I am cis, but I've always understood (and read before) the perspective that trans people simply don't have a gender that aligns with their assigned sex at birth.

[Elite]

I can't say I have ever felt trans or nonbinary before, but not feeling that way is not exactly grounds to tell people that do that they must be wrong.

[Finswedeway]

May 16, 2017 0:04:31 GMT -5 Elite said:

I can't say I have ever felt trans or nonbinary before, but not feeling that way is not exactly grounds to tell people that do that they must be wrong.

I can say that I feel trans, and I always have. I don't want to sound like an a-hole. And that is an extreme bastardisation of my point. I'm saying, simply, that the very idea of the gender nonbinary is kind of damaging to people who a want and a need to transition. Male or female, those are genders. The idea is that you can, of absolutely necessary, transition from one to the other to avoid or suppress depression and feel comfortable in one's own body. The nonbinary is a nothing. You can not transition to a nothing.

I honestly have no idea on what ti do about this, all I can do is point it out and bring attention to the matter.

[Finswedeway]

May 13, 2017 20:50:23 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

May 13, 2017 19:54:45 GMT -5 Finswedeway said:

I see where you are coming from, and I will recognise them if they are good people. However, when they call themselves "transgender" and I try to come out as transgender, problems come up. Namely, in the form of bullying or otherwise not being nice people. This is because these people are regarded as jokes, laughable excuses for humans (I can't say i agree with this). But when I am packed in with them, while I try to be reasonable, and emotionally mature, I still have that negative stigma.

I'm not sure I 100% understand what you're saying, and I definitely approach this from a different perspective (I'm a cis male) but this feel like a very reactionary way of approaching the question. What I mean is that, the fact that non-binary trans people are targeted/laughed at by the conservative/establishment elements, isn't something I would hold against them. Moreover, just because non-binary folks became what the right was able to claim as the most extreme version of what they despised, doesn't necessarily make them less earning of my respect/support. The idea that non-binary folks are overly sensitive individuals ruining the reputation of other trans people, reminds me of how bi people were/are called "special snowflakes" who just "can't decide" whether they're gay or straight, or how aro/ace people are told they just "haven't met the right person" or are coded by society as gay and their identity is invalid because it doesn't fit within the mainstream conception of a possible romantic/gender orientation — these things seem to devalue those identities. I'm not going to discuss who gets to declare themselves trans and not, since I am cis, but I've always understood (and read before) the perspective that trans people simply don't have a gender that aligns with their assigned sex at birth.

Let me try to clarify.

I'm more trying to say that they shouldn't call themselves "transgender"

I would be happy if I would stop being lumped in with them. I would MUCH rather be laughed at for who I am and not who I am associated with.

[siemprefuerte]

Personally I say two as that (barring unusual circumstances) is how many biological sexes there are and gender should align with one or the other.  I don't care if you want to be whatever gender you want to call yourself though, that's your deal not mine.