Post by GLIII on Oct 2, 2007 19:42:06 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]This is the exclusive chat between ALP (Jeff) and Grub (Titanica) complete with an analysis by me located directly at the end of this conversation.[/glow]
30/09/2007 11:01:19 PM Titanica Tell me what the story is.
30/09/2007 11:01:39 PM Jeffery is your name larry? Lets be open, what said he stays here
30/09/2007 11:01:49 PM Jeffery - i wont tell people about your name?
30/09/2007 11:02:01 PM Titanica... no, my name isn't larry.
30/09/2007 11:02:54 PM Jeffery - Alright, The deal is, the RotI has nothing against the region of XKI and is just being formed. We actually hope to see some trade and alliances int he future of our two regions...
30/09/2007 11:03:34 PM Jeffery - Think of us as the quakers going to the new world...some of us, just dont believe som of the rules in the region...so we want to look at starting a new one, with the intent of being independent and being friends with you
30/09/2007 11:03:38 PM Jeffery - Is that alright?
30/09/2007 11:04:03 PM Titanica The revolution part I wasn't really happy to hear.
30/09/2007 11:04:12 PM Jeffery - what revolution?
30/09/2007 11:04:18 PM Titanica On the RMB
30/09/2007 11:04:47 PM Titanica Why would you team up with GnB?
30/09/2007 11:05:30 PM Jeffery - Listen, I have nothing against you, or the region..I have something against your office and the pursuasion of the electorate...but however we see it, I want the XKI to stay and to be friends with it...now half the people dont care about us, so its fine
30/09/2007 11:05:36 PM Jeffery - And she is a friend of mine
30/09/2007 11:06:10 PM Jeffery - I realize she was being rude, but I dont agree with her Banishment, but I also think she should have been given a second chance..now, that being said, I want to still remain allies with you.
30/09/2007 11:06:47 PM Jeffery - If you and your council want me gone for just being a friend of GnB or because I created a seperate region, then I will...I dont think I deserve what GnB got, so I will leave with honour if thats what youwant
30/09/2007 11:08:52 PM Titanica It's a handful of you guys & not just you & gnB.
30/09/2007 11:10:18 PM Jeffery - yeah/ so? We havent done anything wrong, so because we want to place our nations there (non un) to a region we made, is no harm
30/09/2007 11:10:27 PM Jeffery - And like I said, XKI has a place in the game.
30/09/2007 11:11:24 PM Titanica It's kind of a problem when you guys talk about revolution and nogrob, etc.
30/09/2007 11:11:30 PM Titanica nogrub
30/09/2007 11:12:34 PM Jeffery - nice password eh? it was a joke, but i know where this is going, your paranoid man, but I will pull out of 10,000 Islands just so your fine with it... but dude, seriously, lighten up...you must seriously be paranoid if you think or imply that I would be supporting a revolution
30/09/2007 11:13:54 PM Titanica All I take into consideration are the facts. gnB was banned, after multiple chances to correct her attitude, and then you guys start teaming up on a region.
30/09/2007 11:15:00 PM Jeffery umm i created the region, it sorta gonna have the same rules as XKI but more democratic..uhh I still help out with TITO, so again, all I did was start a new region with some people who were sick of your office alright...again, its only a minature region with a handful of inactive puppets
30/09/2007 11:15:22 PM Titanica You all are free to start anything you want, but I don't like having informers writing me to tell me what's going on with TITO members.
30/09/2007 11:17:11 PM Jeffery umm, the only person I actually talk to are chel, sjcap, gnb, IO and Private doctors, and umm...it hasnt been anything related to tito...my forum is locked, with like no defence...again, your paranoid dude...so what does your council and you want? do you want me to leave? or is this paranoid questioning done and we can have a nice evening
30/09/2007 11:18:24 PM Jeffery -?
30/09/2007 11:20:24 PM Titanica You don't see anything wrong with teaming up with an ejected nation and then start talking about Revolution, etc. I am sorry, but that does not sound good to me. gnB has brought you down a bad path.
30/09/2007 11:21:09 PM Jeffery - again, they were friends of mine before you decided to just eject her during her ban.
30/09/2007 11:21:40 PM Titanica Do you understand why she was ejected?
30/09/2007 11:21:52 PM Jeffery - And this revolution is nothing..but again i will leave and do it quiet enough so your PR group isnt called back into her eject - YES..I have heard your side and Hers
30/09/2007 11:22:07 PM Titanica I also didn't just eject her. I & others had spoken to her several times before.
30/09/2007 11:22:08 PM Jeffery - Dude, I dont like how your holding onto powers that are of a dictator
30/09/2007 11:22:22 PM Jeffery - and not evolving the region
30/09/2007 11:22:43 PM Jeffery alright, that was the revolution, to help push for more democratic policies...again, your being paranoid
30/09/2007 11:22:51 PM Titanica You have never understood how NS works.
30/09/2007 11:22:54 PM Jeffery - so I will go alright? Is that make it easier for you guys
30/09/2007 11:22:59 PM Jeffery - Im sorry?
30/09/2007 11:23:20 PM Titanica I am just saddened that you didn't come to me rather than start this other region.
30/09/2007 11:23:21 PM Jeffery - Titanica Actually, the game is more suppose to be based in the actualy boards game
30/09/2007 11:23:47 PM Jeffery - and im sad your trying to be the one in total control..dude, your paranoid..
30/09/2007 11:25:02 PM Titanica I do ask for loyalty and this is twice now that you've let me down. As much as we have disagreed, you have always had a forum to discuss you point of view.
30/09/2007 11:25:38 PM Titanica your
30/09/2007 11:25:47 PM Jeffery - yes and as a sovereign, I would hope for loyalty from the king of it..HOW did I let you down for creating a region with unanimous puppets?
30/09/2007 11:26:07 PM Jeffery - I was friends with her BEFORE you even had a problem with her
30/09/2007 11:26:36 PM Titanica I liked her too before I ever had a problem with her attitude.
30/09/2007 11:27:18 PM Jeffery - fine, but your paranoid that a small handful of buddies of hers want to see more democratic change..just dude, admit it, you likeyour position you established in the years of the game, and you want to keep it that way.
30/09/2007 11:27:33 PM Jeffery - So will you just let it go, and relax...this isnt a big deal...
30/09/2007 11:28:45 PM Jeffery - And I will withdraw for your shores and move on. perhaps down the road, our region will be able to establish ties
30/09/2007 11:31:26 PM Titanica I am sorry, but we will not have friendly relations with your region. You all are against the 10000 Islands and I don't see that as a good basis for firendly relations. I am just glad not all of your members think the same way as you & GnB, at least to you guys.
30/09/2007 11:32:06 PM Jeffery - And I am sorry that you wont give up powers to real regional members as a common ccause
30/09/2007 11:34:15 PM Jeffery - Don't worry, I took care for it myself...again, just remember that this is on your hands and if you cant look away from relations due to us wanting a new region, then thats just pathetic
30/09/2007 11:34:25 PM Jeffery - ooc - oh btw, my name is Jeff, how are you
30/09/2007 11:35:08 PM Titanica A lot of it is how you tried to do it in secret.
30/09/2007 11:35:25 PM Jeffery - we did it in private, again your paranoid!!!!!!
30/09/2007 11:35:31 PM Jeffery - Its a game too!
30/09/2007 11:36:23 PM Titanica It is a game, but there is still a certain decorum.
30/09/2007 11:36:54 PM Jeffery - ya and your not evolving with the game dude, and because i wanted to create my own region because you guys are paranoid, thats just unreal
30/09/2007 11:36:57 PM Jeffery goodnight
30/09/2007 11:40:08 PM Titanica Enjoy your region. As you know, have close tabs on it and will watch to see how your ideas work out in actual practice.
30/09/2007 11:41:02 PM Jeffery Whatever, ive saved the text of this convo, so like the past, im sure you'll go Lil'Kim Jong and propogate your powers in the region to make me look bad
30/09/2007 11:41:04 PM Jeffery - have fun
01/10/2007 12:09:17 AM Jeffery - Thats pathetic, deleting a thread of free speech!!
01/10/2007 12:09:48 AM Titanica Now you unblock me.
01/10/2007 12:10:27 AM Jeffery nah, just wanted to say that the thread Re: Long Live The Islands « Reply #1 on Today at 10:36pm »
30/09/2007 11:01:19 PM Titanica Tell me what the story is.
30/09/2007 11:01:39 PM Jeffery is your name larry? Lets be open, what said he stays here
30/09/2007 11:01:49 PM Jeffery - i wont tell people about your name?
30/09/2007 11:02:01 PM Titanica... no, my name isn't larry.
30/09/2007 11:02:54 PM Jeffery - Alright, The deal is, the RotI has nothing against the region of XKI and is just being formed. We actually hope to see some trade and alliances int he future of our two regions...
30/09/2007 11:03:34 PM Jeffery - Think of us as the quakers going to the new world...some of us, just dont believe som of the rules in the region...so we want to look at starting a new one, with the intent of being independent and being friends with you
30/09/2007 11:03:38 PM Jeffery - Is that alright?
30/09/2007 11:04:03 PM Titanica The revolution part I wasn't really happy to hear.
30/09/2007 11:04:12 PM Jeffery - what revolution?
30/09/2007 11:04:18 PM Titanica On the RMB
30/09/2007 11:04:47 PM Titanica Why would you team up with GnB?
30/09/2007 11:05:30 PM Jeffery - Listen, I have nothing against you, or the region..I have something against your office and the pursuasion of the electorate...but however we see it, I want the XKI to stay and to be friends with it...now half the people dont care about us, so its fine
30/09/2007 11:05:36 PM Jeffery - And she is a friend of mine
30/09/2007 11:06:10 PM Jeffery - I realize she was being rude, but I dont agree with her Banishment, but I also think she should have been given a second chance..now, that being said, I want to still remain allies with you.
30/09/2007 11:06:47 PM Jeffery - If you and your council want me gone for just being a friend of GnB or because I created a seperate region, then I will...I dont think I deserve what GnB got, so I will leave with honour if thats what youwant
30/09/2007 11:08:52 PM Titanica It's a handful of you guys & not just you & gnB.
30/09/2007 11:10:18 PM Jeffery - yeah/ so? We havent done anything wrong, so because we want to place our nations there (non un) to a region we made, is no harm
30/09/2007 11:10:27 PM Jeffery - And like I said, XKI has a place in the game.
30/09/2007 11:11:24 PM Titanica It's kind of a problem when you guys talk about revolution and nogrob, etc.
30/09/2007 11:11:30 PM Titanica nogrub
30/09/2007 11:12:34 PM Jeffery - nice password eh? it was a joke, but i know where this is going, your paranoid man, but I will pull out of 10,000 Islands just so your fine with it... but dude, seriously, lighten up...you must seriously be paranoid if you think or imply that I would be supporting a revolution
30/09/2007 11:13:54 PM Titanica All I take into consideration are the facts. gnB was banned, after multiple chances to correct her attitude, and then you guys start teaming up on a region.
30/09/2007 11:15:00 PM Jeffery umm i created the region, it sorta gonna have the same rules as XKI but more democratic..uhh I still help out with TITO, so again, all I did was start a new region with some people who were sick of your office alright...again, its only a minature region with a handful of inactive puppets
30/09/2007 11:15:22 PM Titanica You all are free to start anything you want, but I don't like having informers writing me to tell me what's going on with TITO members.
30/09/2007 11:17:11 PM Jeffery umm, the only person I actually talk to are chel, sjcap, gnb, IO and Private doctors, and umm...it hasnt been anything related to tito...my forum is locked, with like no defence...again, your paranoid dude...so what does your council and you want? do you want me to leave? or is this paranoid questioning done and we can have a nice evening
30/09/2007 11:18:24 PM Jeffery -?
30/09/2007 11:20:24 PM Titanica You don't see anything wrong with teaming up with an ejected nation and then start talking about Revolution, etc. I am sorry, but that does not sound good to me. gnB has brought you down a bad path.
30/09/2007 11:21:09 PM Jeffery - again, they were friends of mine before you decided to just eject her during her ban.
30/09/2007 11:21:40 PM Titanica Do you understand why she was ejected?
30/09/2007 11:21:52 PM Jeffery - And this revolution is nothing..but again i will leave and do it quiet enough so your PR group isnt called back into her eject - YES..I have heard your side and Hers
30/09/2007 11:22:07 PM Titanica I also didn't just eject her. I & others had spoken to her several times before.
30/09/2007 11:22:08 PM Jeffery - Dude, I dont like how your holding onto powers that are of a dictator
30/09/2007 11:22:22 PM Jeffery - and not evolving the region
30/09/2007 11:22:43 PM Jeffery alright, that was the revolution, to help push for more democratic policies...again, your being paranoid
30/09/2007 11:22:51 PM Titanica You have never understood how NS works.
30/09/2007 11:22:54 PM Jeffery - so I will go alright? Is that make it easier for you guys
30/09/2007 11:22:59 PM Jeffery - Im sorry?
30/09/2007 11:23:20 PM Titanica I am just saddened that you didn't come to me rather than start this other region.
30/09/2007 11:23:21 PM Jeffery - Titanica Actually, the game is more suppose to be based in the actualy boards game
30/09/2007 11:23:47 PM Jeffery - and im sad your trying to be the one in total control..dude, your paranoid..
30/09/2007 11:25:02 PM Titanica I do ask for loyalty and this is twice now that you've let me down. As much as we have disagreed, you have always had a forum to discuss you point of view.
30/09/2007 11:25:38 PM Titanica your
30/09/2007 11:25:47 PM Jeffery - yes and as a sovereign, I would hope for loyalty from the king of it..HOW did I let you down for creating a region with unanimous puppets?
30/09/2007 11:26:07 PM Jeffery - I was friends with her BEFORE you even had a problem with her
30/09/2007 11:26:36 PM Titanica I liked her too before I ever had a problem with her attitude.
30/09/2007 11:27:18 PM Jeffery - fine, but your paranoid that a small handful of buddies of hers want to see more democratic change..just dude, admit it, you likeyour position you established in the years of the game, and you want to keep it that way.
30/09/2007 11:27:33 PM Jeffery - So will you just let it go, and relax...this isnt a big deal...
30/09/2007 11:28:45 PM Jeffery - And I will withdraw for your shores and move on. perhaps down the road, our region will be able to establish ties
30/09/2007 11:31:26 PM Titanica I am sorry, but we will not have friendly relations with your region. You all are against the 10000 Islands and I don't see that as a good basis for firendly relations. I am just glad not all of your members think the same way as you & GnB, at least to you guys.
30/09/2007 11:32:06 PM Jeffery - And I am sorry that you wont give up powers to real regional members as a common ccause
30/09/2007 11:34:15 PM Jeffery - Don't worry, I took care for it myself...again, just remember that this is on your hands and if you cant look away from relations due to us wanting a new region, then thats just pathetic
30/09/2007 11:34:25 PM Jeffery - ooc - oh btw, my name is Jeff, how are you
30/09/2007 11:35:08 PM Titanica A lot of it is how you tried to do it in secret.
30/09/2007 11:35:25 PM Jeffery - we did it in private, again your paranoid!!!!!!
30/09/2007 11:35:31 PM Jeffery - Its a game too!
30/09/2007 11:36:23 PM Titanica It is a game, but there is still a certain decorum.
30/09/2007 11:36:54 PM Jeffery - ya and your not evolving with the game dude, and because i wanted to create my own region because you guys are paranoid, thats just unreal
30/09/2007 11:36:57 PM Jeffery goodnight
30/09/2007 11:40:08 PM Titanica Enjoy your region. As you know, have close tabs on it and will watch to see how your ideas work out in actual practice.
30/09/2007 11:41:02 PM Jeffery Whatever, ive saved the text of this convo, so like the past, im sure you'll go Lil'Kim Jong and propogate your powers in the region to make me look bad
30/09/2007 11:41:04 PM Jeffery - have fun
01/10/2007 12:09:17 AM Jeffery - Thats pathetic, deleting a thread of free speech!!
01/10/2007 12:09:48 AM Titanica Now you unblock me.
01/10/2007 12:10:27 AM Jeffery nah, just wanted to say that the thread Re: Long Live The Islands « Reply #1 on Today at 10:36pm »
It seems like it is down to me to shout and scream and stamp my feet about this travesty. This is censure! This is an Abomination! The Council should be ashamed by this! How dare you try to hinder him! What he is doing has nothing to do with XKI! Just mind your own F**king business! you creeps. I suppose now would be a good time to quote Grub. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil(people with different opinions) men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the lord(grub) when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
01/10/2007 12:10:39 AM Jeffery - Just wanted to say its sad you deleted that one, free speech and all eh?
01/10/2007 12:10:40 AM Jeffery -
01/10/2007 12:10:43 AM Jeffery - bye!
ALP proves that he cannot be trusted with his first two opening statements. He states the conversation will be kept private. It is now published for all to see. He states that if Grub tells him his name, he won’t tell people what it is. Yet I find that hard to believe with this conversation as public as it is. ALP basically lies to Grub even though his lies were totally irrelevant to Grub’s request for ALP’s story. ALP could have simply started off with telling Grub about his region, but instead chose to first try to deceive Grub.
ALP repeatedly requests open relation and friendship with 10KI. Grub rejects it every time. “Titanica I am sorry, but we will not have friendly relations with your region. You all are against the 10000 Islands and I don't see that as a good basis for friendly relations.” Notice how Grub uses the word “we” and speaks for all of 10KI. He also states that they are all against 10KI. Yet ALP repeatedly states he wants to maintain relations. However with ALP’s opening statements it is questionable whether he is lying or being honest.
30/09/2007 11:35:08 PM Titanica A lot of it is how you tried to do it in secret.
30/09/2007 11:35:25 PM Jeffery - we did it in private, again your paranoid!!!!!!
Let’s examine these statements. But first what is the difference between secrecy and privacy?
Privacy versus Secrecy
According to experts, private matters are those traits, truths, beliefs, and ideas about ourselves that we keep to ourselves. They might include our fantasies and daydreams, feelings about the way the world works, and spiritual beliefs. Private matters, when revealed either accidentally or purposefully, give another person some insight into the revealer.
Secrets, on the other hand, consist of information that has a potentially negative impact on someone else ~ emotionally, physically, or financially. Secrets, when revealed either accidentally or purposefully, cause great chaos or perceived harm to the secret-keeper and those around him or her.
Clearly this is a matter of secrecy, not privacy. ALP tries to twist Grub’s statement by replacing the word “secret” with “private” which have two completely different meanings. But wait, instead of simply saying “we did it in private”, ALP chose to add that Grub is paranoid. Is it because he is trying to balance out this statement with a feeling of some truth?
01/10/2007 12:10:39 AM Jeffery - Just wanted to say its sad you deleted that one, free speech and all eh?
01/10/2007 12:10:40 AM Jeffery -
01/10/2007 12:10:43 AM Jeffery - bye!
ALP proves that he cannot be trusted with his first two opening statements. He states the conversation will be kept private. It is now published for all to see. He states that if Grub tells him his name, he won’t tell people what it is. Yet I find that hard to believe with this conversation as public as it is. ALP basically lies to Grub even though his lies were totally irrelevant to Grub’s request for ALP’s story. ALP could have simply started off with telling Grub about his region, but instead chose to first try to deceive Grub.
ALP repeatedly requests open relation and friendship with 10KI. Grub rejects it every time. “Titanica I am sorry, but we will not have friendly relations with your region. You all are against the 10000 Islands and I don't see that as a good basis for friendly relations.” Notice how Grub uses the word “we” and speaks for all of 10KI. He also states that they are all against 10KI. Yet ALP repeatedly states he wants to maintain relations. However with ALP’s opening statements it is questionable whether he is lying or being honest.
30/09/2007 11:35:08 PM Titanica A lot of it is how you tried to do it in secret.
30/09/2007 11:35:25 PM Jeffery - we did it in private, again your paranoid!!!!!!
Let’s examine these statements. But first what is the difference between secrecy and privacy?
Privacy versus Secrecy
According to experts, private matters are those traits, truths, beliefs, and ideas about ourselves that we keep to ourselves. They might include our fantasies and daydreams, feelings about the way the world works, and spiritual beliefs. Private matters, when revealed either accidentally or purposefully, give another person some insight into the revealer.
Secrets, on the other hand, consist of information that has a potentially negative impact on someone else ~ emotionally, physically, or financially. Secrets, when revealed either accidentally or purposefully, cause great chaos or perceived harm to the secret-keeper and those around him or her.
Clearly this is a matter of secrecy, not privacy. ALP tries to twist Grub’s statement by replacing the word “secret” with “private” which have two completely different meanings. But wait, instead of simply saying “we did it in private”, ALP chose to add that Grub is paranoid. Is it because he is trying to balance out this statement with a feeling of some truth?