WW41: PAWHUGGERS

[Klopstock]

I'm going to change my vote back before going to bed. Louisistan was my number one suspect before, and Sheynet's information is further evidence that he's a Taco Islander.

Change Vote: lynch Louisistan

See everyone tomorrow.

[Lower Columbia]

Klop and I discussed this at length, and I, too, feel that Louis is more likely than Shiz to be a TI, so once again:

Change Vote: Lynch Louisistan

[Randomain]

Sorry I haven't been posting here yesterday since I was pulled away/had to leave in the middle of reading through the thread.
Quite a mess we've found ourselves in this phase, but seeing as Sheynat attacked Louis on the first night so he most probably wasn't defended then so he's likely a TI

Vote: Lynch Louisistan

[Louisistan]

Feb 6, 2015 3:43:48 GMT -5 Randomain said:

Quite a mess we've found ourselves in this phase, but seeing as Sheynat attacked Louis on the first night so he most probably wasn't defended then so he's likely a TI

Right, because it's an unheard of tactic for defenders to defend themselves in round 1. Oh, wait....

Yes, I am in fact the defender, thank you very much. 

And yet: Vote: Lynch Sheynat
Outing me like this was a completely unnecessary move! I could have defended people tonight, but now, if I do that, I end up dead. That is, if I'm not lynched before tonight. I'm not even sure whether I buy the whole "Sheynat is the LW" thing, to be honest. But getting me would have been an unusual lucky guess, so let's say he is. That still doesn't mean, he's on our team. He wins, if LC gets lynched and he lives. With LC siding with us PAWHUGGERS, his only choice to get LC lynched is siding with the TIers. Either way, he's not working for us. So tell ne again, why we're co-operating with him?

Thanks for dragging me out into the open like that, btw. You've done us all a great service /sarcasm.

[Randomain]

Feb 6, 2015 6:30:28 GMT -5 Louisistan said:

Yes, I am in fact the defender, thank you very much. 

No, you're not

[Louisistan]

Oh right. So we believe everyone who claims to be a power role, except for me. You know what? I just don't care anymore. Lynch me and lose. If you people don't want my help, then lynch me, lose and be done with it.

[Randomain]

Well there's no other way you weren't killed when Shey attacked you than for you to be TI and the same goes for Pengu. Shiz however I have defended once but we'll have to discuss with the LW if we went for him on the same night.

[Louisistan]

So now you're the defender. How convenient.

[Randomain]

And that's exactly why I can say you're not with such confidence.

[Louisistan]

You know, the funny thing is: If you hadn't pulled that stunt right now, I would never have suspected you of being a Taco Islander. Bad move on your part. I still think we need to be careful about the wolf, as he has no incentive to co-operate with us. But since we did just unearth not just a Taco Islander, but an impostor defender, I say Change Vote: Lynch Randomain.

[Randomain]

If I was a TI (or any other role for that matter) I wouldn't have pulled that stunt. Why would I?

[Louisistan]

Well, someone has to keep the bandwagon against me rolling, right?

When LC came out as the hunter, several people said, they would believe him as long as no one else admitted to being the hunter. Similarly, when Sheynat identified himself as the Last Werwolf, most people did not question that. Now when I, the prime lynching candidate, came out as being the defender, chances were that people were going to believe that, too. Something had to be done about it. And Ta-daaah, out of the papier mâché hat comes the magical miracle rabbit. The one Taco Islander who had laid low during most parts of the game and thus was a believable defender. And so you hope that this creates enough uncertainty to keep the bandwagon rolling against me. Even though no one has presented even circumstantial evidence that you are who you claim you are, while I was identified as a possible defender earlier. Funny that, isn't it?

[Shizensky]

Vote: Lynch Louistan

[Randomain]

Feb 6, 2015 8:17:53 GMT -5 Louisistan said:

Well, someone has to keep the bandwagon against me rolling, right?

When LC came out as the hunter, several people said, they would believe him as long as no one else admitted to being the hunter. Similarly, when Sheynat identified himself as the Last Werwolf, most people did not question that. Now when I, the prime lynching candidate, came out as being the defender, chances were that people were going to believe that, too. Something had to be done about it. And Ta-daaah, out of the papier mâché hat comes the magical miracle rabbit. The one Taco Islander who had laid low during most parts of the game and thus was a believable defender. And so you hope that this creates enough uncertainty to keep the bandwagon rolling against me. Even though no one has presented even circumstantial evidence that you are who you claim you are, while I was identified as a possible defender earlier. Funny that, isn't it?

If I was TI I woldn't have had to risk it unless another TI was going to get lynched, but since you went gunning for the LW I woudn't have cared either way.

[Flemingisa]

This has just devolved into chaos and discord... I'm going to go with the new current bandwagon... Change Vote: Lynch Louistan

[Sheynat]

Feb 6, 2015 7:35:11 GMT -5 Randomain said:

Well there's no other way you weren't killed when Shey attacked you than for you to be TI and the same goes for Pengu. Shiz however I have defended once but we'll have to discuss with the LW if we went for him on the same night.

You want us to believe you? Tell us what order you defended in.

What night did you defend Shiz on?

[Sheynat]

(oh, and by the way, Louis, if you wanted to suggest that I'm not TLW, suggesting that I successfully identified the defender was not the way to do it.)

[Louisistan]

I know, that's why I said "but getting me would have been an unusual lucky guess, so let's say he is".
Me acknowledging that you are indeed the Last Werewolf does not mean, I suddenly start to trust you, though. I still believe, that our arrangement with the Hunter could have motivated you to side with the Islanders.

[Randomain]

I defended shiz on the 4th night.

[Sheynat]

Feb 6, 2015 9:29:43 GMT -5 Randomain said:

I defended shiz on the 4th night.

Well, what do you know? I attacked him on the fourth night.

VOTE: LYNCH LOUISISTAN

Random, did you defend Pengu at any point?

[Sheynat]

Feb 6, 2015 9:29:11 GMT -5 Louisistan said:

I know, that's why I said "but getting me would have been an unusual lucky guess, so let's say he is".
Me acknowledging that you are indeed the Last Werewolf does not mean, I suddenly start to trust you, though. I still believe, that our arrangement with the Hunter could have motivated you to side with the Islanders.

Think this through. What happens if all of this leads to me getting a PAWHUGGER? I die next round. I need the PAWHUGGERs as much if not more than they need me.

[Louisistan]

You think this through. What do you think is going to happen? How would you win this thing. Are you relying on us betraying LC? If you both live, you both lose. Tell me, Sheynat, what's your angle?

[Sheynat]

Feb 6, 2015 9:45:55 GMT -5 Louisistan said:

You think this through. What do you think is going to happen? How would you win this thing. Are you relying on us betraying LC? If you both live, you both lose. Tell me, Sheynat, what's your angle?

I don't need LC to die to win. I only need to not die.

[Randomain]

Feb 6, 2015 9:33:29 GMT -5 Sheynat said:

Random, did you defend Pengu at any point?

As I indicated here:

Feb 6, 2015 7:35:11 GMT -5 Randomain said:

Well there's no other way you weren't killed when Shey attacked you than for you to be TI and the same goes for Pengu. Shiz however I have defended once but we'll have to discuss with the LW if we went for him on the same night.

I've not defended Pengu at any point in this game.

[Sheynat]

And LC loses in his capacity as hunter if I live, but not necessarily in his capacity as villager. The way things were going before, he was set to win as Hunter and lose as villager. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[Sheynat]

Feb 6, 2015 9:55:20 GMT -5 Randomain said:

Feb 6, 2015 9:33:29 GMT -5 Sheynat said:

Random, did you defend Pengu at any point?

As I indicated here:

Feb 6, 2015 7:35:11 GMT -5 Randomain said:

Well there's no other way you weren't killed when Shey attacked you than for you to be TI and the same goes for Pengu. Shiz however I have defended once but we'll have to discuss with the LW if we went for him on the same night.

I've not defended Pengu at any point in this game.

Missed that - sorry.

That tells us who's next, then.

[Randomain]

That it does, and so gives some more time to figure out the remaining two

[Louisistan]

Feb 6, 2015 9:55:58 GMT -5 Sheynat said:

And LC loses in his capacity as hunter if I live, but not necessarily in his capacity as villager. 

That's just not true. The Hunter is not a villager and neither are you. 

[Shizensky]

Feb 6, 2015 10:02:27 GMT -5 Louisistan said:

Feb 6, 2015 9:55:58 GMT -5 Sheynat said:

And LC loses in his capacity as hunter if I live, but not necessarily in his capacity as villager. 

That's just not true. The Hunter is not a villager and neither are you. 

When I offered up this solution, I asked LC if he was okay with losing as a Hunter. If he switches his allegiances to the group rather than himself, and we win as a result, I'm fairly certain he could get away with chalking that up as a win.

The LW is a lone wolf and wins by staying alive. Could all of this cooperation be a ruse to simply stay alive to be able to kill someone tonight? Absolutely. Am I willing to take that risk and trust Sheynat anyway? Most definitely. You see, the thing about playing with a close knit group of people is that the group will remember promises. Sheynat stands to gain leverage in future games by sticking to his word in this one. What's better in these games than a solid reputation as being trustworthy?

[Randomain]

Also LC has no chance to win anyway, if Sheynat keeps his promise and PH's refuse to lynch him