RP'ing and you

[Central Ruska]

Welcome to the Role-playing section of 10,000 islands. Both me and Globexanter, both experienced members are setting up this system to help everyone with their role-playing problems. Whether it be answering your questions, help getting started with your first posts, national profile approvals or anything else, this is here to help you.

[Globexanter]

Since Malecia, Mut and Surdra aren't as active as they used to be, this is going to basically serve as a thread where lines can be drawn in the sand regarding what is possible, and what isn't. Drawing from the words of one of our moderators, Mutanatia, there are a few criterias to what is and isn't possible in this subforum (in the modern tech. section, at least):
1) Can their technology be (feasibly, proof required) achieved during the next 10 years?
2) Has the technology already been achieved?

If the answers to these question are both negative, then the chances are that the fancy pants idea you've just dreamed up just wont work. This is not in an attempt to hinder "fun" but more of one to halt godmodding and rather impossible happenings. It's true that, due to the fact that we have no updated rules section, the line can somehow be hard to draw by yourself. But that's why this thread is here (but it's safe to say that if it sounds impossible, it probably is and shouldn't be used for the obvious reason).

On another note, certain factbooks of players actively participating in active RP threads might need to be changed due to certain issues that breach the mentioned rules.

P.S.: Before I forget, in regards to a certain thread where a strong level of vulgarity was used, please take into account that not all of the audiences on this forum are over the age of 18. For some reason, some of those posts weren't reported to the moderators, hopefully if they occur again they will be.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Hello, I would like to know, how does one join an RP, if it is pretty entrenched and deep? Do you either leave it or try to understand what is going on before posting on it?

[Central Ruska]

Hey there! We'll start right at the beginning for this. As a common rule, to join in an RP here, you need an approved National profile that allows users to see what your nation consists of. Now I can see that you've already started up a national profile. To get you an approved profile, we're going to need a little more information on your nation, such as your peoples economic freedoms, your major industries and your political leanings (communist/capitalist). We do this to get a more realistic interpretation of your nation. Feel free to look around the National profiles and Descriptions sub-forum for the pinned national profiles, those are the approved nations.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 25, 2016 15:13:10 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Hey there! We'll start right at the beginning for this. As a common rule, to join in an RP here, you need an approved National profile that allows users to see what your nation consists of. Now I can see that you've already started up a national profile. To get you an approved profile, we're going to need a little more information on your nation, such as your peoples economic freedoms, your major industries and your political leanings (communist/capitalist). We do this to get a more realistic interpretation of your nation. Feel free to look around the National profiles and Descriptions sub-forum for the pinned national profiles, those are the approved nations.

I created a new description of my nation, hopefully this will be substantial.

[Central Ruska]

It's a start. However, you are still missing the data required. If you could merge your two threads together, so the one with the more detailed description and the listed description together. That way you have just the one post that you can keep adding to over time. If you could also delete any unused threads, that'd be great!

I'd also like to point out that we are not connected to NationStates in anyway. We are our own entity from them, so we don't quote from them. So this is why you'll find our own world map ( 10000islands.proboards.com/thread/29112/official-rp-world-map?page=1 )and our own timeline, set in 2022.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 25, 2016 17:03:40 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

It's a start. However, you are still missing the data required. If you could merge your two threads together, so the one with the more detailed description and the listed description together. That way you have just the one post that you can keep adding to over time. If you could also delete any unused threads, that'd be great!

I'd also like to point out that we are not connected to NationStates in anyway. We are our own entity from them, so we don't quote from them. So this is why you'll find our own world map ( 10000islands.proboards.com/thread/29112/official-rp-world-map?page=1 )and our own timeline, set in 2022.

I have merged them. I also would like to say, for when I do join the map, how do I put my national map on it?

[Central Ruska]

Too get a spot on our world map, you have to have an approved national profile. However, to answer your question. You select a spot in it you'd like to claim for you nation, and then I do all the graphical stuff.

Whilst we're at it. Tell me now where you'd like and I'll reserve it for you.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 26, 2016 10:45:08 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Too get a spot on our world map, you have to have an approved national profile. However, to answer your question. You select a spot in it you'd like to claim for you nation, and then I do all the graphical stuff.

Whilst we're at it. Tell me now where you'd like and I'll reserve it for you.

When I get my profile approved, my spot on the map would be those islands under Halimia in that 'Falkland Island' look.

[Globexanter]

I don't know if you've actually modified it yet Cellarius, but you kind of need to remove whatever that NS Economy Rations thing is. I don't know if you've missed it or just not gone about removing it yet though. It can easily be replaced by something such as "GDP per inhabitant" or something of those lines.

[Central Ruska]

If all goes well, we'll be able to give you those island. All we need to do is finish off your profile. You're economy seems lacking, you are only relying on two things. If say the market crashed and the price of trout went down, you'll be losing a massive chunk of your economy. Broaden it out a bit.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 27, 2016 12:21:31 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

If all goes well, we'll be able to give you those island. All we need to do is finish off your profile. You're economy seems lacking, you are only relying on two things. If say the market crashed and the price of trout went down, you'll be losing a massive chunk of your economy. Broaden it out a bit.

I've updated it and, yes, we do not want to end up like China, a fortnight ago.

[Central Ruska]

Now the last thing we need to check through is your military. For starters, being an island nation you have a massive military, 4 million men in just the army alone is way to much, even to a nation like me.

In your case, a smaller army might be good for you, focus more on the navy and air force as these will be your main defence, before the army. Might I also ask, most of us have based ourselves on a IRL country, such as myself an old style USSR/Ukraine. Is there anyone you'd like to base yourself off?

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

I mainly base myself on the US, politically, but as the French historically. I will also sort the military out.

[Central Ruska]

Ah, some good choices. I'll let Globexanter take a look at your military numbers, that's more his thing!

Because having 20% of your population serving in the military isn't the greatest idea!

[Globexanter]

Jan 28, 2016 21:03:20 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Ah, some good choices. I'll let Globexanter take a look at your military numbers, that's more his thing!

Because having 20% of your population serving in the military isn't the greatest idea!

Hey there The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius , I went ahead as CR requested and took a look at the military numbers. There as, as has already been pointed out, a few slight issues, the first here visibly being the size. You've given yourself a military going over 2.2 million soldiers, which isn't a bad thing as some of us have more, however it does cause a certain number of issues with your nation as it is.

As CR pointed out, that's about 22.5% of your population. Now, most countries have a rather well defined active population (as an average here, I've used a few different countries as examples). In the United States as an example, it's something around 100 million people. Now, this age gap was between 24 and 54 years of age, so there's undoubtfully a few more actually working outside of those limits. In France, the active population (from 15 to 64) is around 28 million. So, the percentage of the active population in the US is about 32% of the total population, and for France it's around 40% (probably safer to say it's actually around 35% though, when you take out the students). For a country less-prone for large vasts of long studies, that active population is going to be slightly higher, but not by a huge percentage. From the industries presented on your factbook, I'd say (as a rather estimative guess) that your active population is between 35 and 40% (determined by looking at countries with similar major industries as yours).

So, this means that (let's be optimistic) you have an active population numbering around 40% of your total population, so around 4 million people capable of actively working, probably a bit less. If you haven't seen the issue yet, it's that the military requires men and women from the same age groups that the economists would designate as "fit to work". So, out of those 4 million possible workers all contributing to the national and local economy, 55% aren't able to actively work due to their engagement in the armed forces. So your economy is going to be a lot weaker, as those remaining 1.8 million workers are going to produce a lot less goods or trade than if there was more of them.

So, to sum up a rather large post Your armed forces are far too big. In fact, it's got so many men that I believe it would have a lot of trouble trying to maintain itself (since the remaining active population isn't really going to be capable of doing it for them). This would cause debt issues by the fact that you'd have too many men to pay for, and the system would end up collapsing on itself. The numbers need to be reduced, and I personally think you should try to get under the million-troop marker, and even then: the closer you get to the million, the more you should have in reserve than actual active duty. At least this means that they can partially work most of the time.
If you do want a mainly active duty army though, definitely head under the half-a million marker.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

I've fixed the military issue, and I agree, for a 10mil population, 2mil of the denizens of the country being part of the military is way too large.

[Globexanter]

Well, you wont have any issues with the nuber of troops now, that's for sure. Something you could always use in the future if you feel the need to increase the amount of soldiers under your control is to operate a system under which certain sections of your population (be it defined to age, sex, etc) are given a short military service (not much really, just a really basic boot camp) in order to effectively, once their service ends, have a certain number of men and women you could immediately call up upon if needed. A few countries operate on this system, including Switzerland (I think they operate a similar system that is mainly concentrated around that reserve idea).

[person67]

Best example of it although it is an extreme policy is in Israel where a little less than 50% population serve for 3 years in the armed forces when they are 18 to 21. Of course a more normal system is smaller numbers and length of time served but it leaves Israel with a well trained population.

[Odrin]

Well Israel is surrounded on all sides by nations that hate them, so... That probably doesn't apply for Cellarius.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 29, 2016 15:55:25 GMT -5 Odrin said:

Well Israel is surrounded on all sides by nations that hate them, so... That probably doesn't apply for Cellarius.

It's more like, Cellarius is filled in the inside with Socialists that hate them, instead of outside enemies.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 29, 2016 15:35:44 GMT -5 Globexanter said:

Well, you wont have any issues with the nuber of troops now, that's for sure. Something you could always use in the future if you feel the need to increase the amount of soldiers under your control is to operate a system under which certain sections of your population (be it defined to age, sex, etc) are given a short military service (not much really, just a really basic boot camp) in order to effectively, once their service ends, have a certain number of men and women you could immediately call up upon if needed. A few countries operate on this system, including Switzerland (I think they operate a similar system that is mainly concentrated around that reserve idea).

Mhm, I may place some restrictions on the military in the future once I get a bigger force and if I want to organise it better.

[Central Ruska]

With your military numbers all sorted out, feel free to include what types of weaponry your army uses. Just a basic list will do for now.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 29, 2016 17:24:35 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

With your military numbers all sorted out, feel free to include what types of weaponry your army uses. Just a basic list will do for now.

I added a few more information to it, but I think it's okay.

[Globexanter]

Hey again The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius , there's a few issues with some of your equipment this time.

To start, there's your aircraft carrier. The question is, do you really need it? You don't seem to have a nation that is seeking force-projection power, which is what aircraft carriers are for really. And you don't have a large naval infrastructure by looking at your economy, which means that your carrier would of have had to be purchased off of a third entity, which doesn't always lean towards quality in terms of the ship. Another issue with the carrier: you currently don't have any aircraft on your factbook that are capable of performing duties of fighter jets assigned to a carrier task force. The F-15 had a prototype variant to be used for carrier landings (the F-15N Sea Eagle) which was never took on board due to several faults that couldn't be repaired without nearly making a new plane, mainly the issue of how heavy a bird it is. The same applies for the F-22, but this one being rejected due to it's far too fast minimum landing speed.
The F-16 was also considered to land on carriers, but this time weight issues were joined with an airframe that was unlikely to be able to handle being catapulted and jerked time and time again.

So, really, perhaps it might be easier your to have something like a helicopter carrier? Perhaps even one of those smaller aircraft carriers designed to use aircraft like the Harrier jets.

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

I agree, Globexanter , I think my planes wouldn't fit upon the carrier after I placed it there. It was one of things I thought about after editing it. I want my profile to be perfect, one discrepancy and it'll be fixed.

[Central Ruska]

Judging by the looks of it, your profile looks pretty good now. I'm happy to authorise the profile. If Globexanter doesn't have any objections, You'll be set to RP.

So, Now I'll want to run you through the basics of RP here. We've seen your first post in Operation Rightful Justice and it's a good post, you've also been polite enough to offer to delete the post if it got in the way. The biggest issue that I can see, is the knowledge behind the post. Taking your first line, "Sir, planes have been going down around Central Ruska, I don-" I can already see that you've not read into the story. The easiest way to join an RP, is to inquire with the original poster and/or read through the story to get a better idea on what's happening. In this case and in this RP, I haven't actually lost any aircraft and the story is no where near me (some 8000 miles away ).

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Jan 31, 2016 19:08:18 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Judging by the looks of it, your profile looks pretty good now. I'm happy to authorise the profile. If Globexanter doesn't have any objections, You'll be set to RP.

So, Now I'll want to run you through the basics of RP here. We've seen your first post in Operation Rightful Justice and it's a good post, you've also been polite enough to offer to delete the post if it got in the way. The biggest issue that I can see, is the knowledge behind the post. Taking your first line, "Sir, planes have been going down around Central Ruska, I don-" I can already see that you've not read into the story. The easiest way to join an RP, is to inquire with the original poster and/or read through the story to get a better idea on what's happening. In this case and in this RP, I haven't actually lost any aircraft and the story is no where near me (some 8000 miles away ).

Mhm, I wasn't experienced back then. Hopefully my profile goes to the standard.

[Central Ruska]

Don't worry about it. Once you get started, you'll become more and more experienced. We all start at the bottom. But again, from what I can see, you're all set to get out there and start RPing!

[The Federal Rep. Of Cellarius]

Feb 1, 2016 15:48:40 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Don't worry about it. Once you get started, you'll become more and more experienced. We all start at the bottom. But again, from what I can see, you're all set to get out there and start RPing!

Yay! I am already formulating the plan for my first RP thread now.