SC Proposal: Condemn Gatesville Inc

[Lenlyvit]

Condemn Gatesville Inc

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee(region): Gatesville Inc

Proposed By: Bormiar

The Security Council,

Believing that posthumous condemnations ought not to be invalidated by the Security Council for its nominee’s demise, as condemnations serve to recognize and provide an example of unethical actions as well as create a moral basis behind liberations and future condemnations,

Recognizing Gatesville Inc to be the remnants of Gatesville, a militaristic raider organization zealously devoted to the creation of chaos and misery,

Scolding Gatesville Inc for its perpetration of a month-long coup d’etat of Osiris in 2013, in which Osiris’ rogue delegate, The dourian embassy, as a desperate attempt to keep its position and prevent the legitimate delegate from taking power, chose to align itself with Gatesville Inc, who preceded to eject prominent natives, suppress the Regional Message Board which had been dominated by members of the Osiran community and lawful government, replace the distressed region’s flag - a prominent symbol of Osiran culture - with Gateville’s flag, and eventually indirectly destroy the Kemetic Republic of Osiris,

Admonishing Gatesville, the predecessor to Gatesville Inc made up of many of them same members, organizational structure, and leadership as Gatesville Inc, for its roles in promoting the instability of numerous prominent, efficient, and developed regions, such as:

1. The 2008 rogue delegacy in The North Pacific by its contemporary delegate Lewis and Clark (Westwind), in which Gatesville supported Westwind’s choice to dissolve the constitution, change the communication method used in the North Pacific, disband the North Pacific Army, and establish the “Crimson Order” as the new government; Gatesville threatened to “terminate the interests” of the legitimate North Pacific community, supported the rogue delegate with over 30 endorsements, and even supported attempted invasions of the Rejected Realms and Lazarus (twice) to distract soldiers from fighting for the North Pacific’s freedom,

2. Threatening the sovereignty of the North Pacific a year before the Lewis and Clark coup in supporting an Emperor Matthius rogue delegacy, in which a group of un-endorsement campaigners depleted the legitimate delegate Great Bright Mum’s endorsements and endorsed vice-delegate Emperor Matthius, illegally forcing it into the delegacy. Emperor matthius then used this event as a platform to eject its endorsers into the Rejected Realms, move there itself, and nearly overthrow the Rejected Realms’ delegacy,

3. Causing great fear and consternation in the previously content community of the East Pacific, in which Gatesville provided significant military assistance to the Empire that terrorized the East Pacific for a long and arduous 4 months, ejecting natives and demeaning them through propaganda,

4. A third major act of aggression against the North Pacific; when Gatesville supported the establishment of the North Pacific Directorate, a coup in which Pierconium seized the nation of Pixiedance, the North Pacific’s delegate, suspended the constitution, and instituted martial law, before Pixiedance retook control over its nation; When Pixiedance did the exact same thing as Pierconium had previously, Pierconium replaced the North Pacific’s government with a corrupt dictatorship known as the North Pacific Directorate, and Gatesville used its military might to support such,

Disgusted by Gatesville’s meddling hands which attempted to influence the governments of foreign regions via a vast intelligence network which reported confidential information to Gatesville and acted only in Gatesville’s interest, rather than the targeted region’s,

Acknowledging one of the notable spies under Gatesville: Lots of ants, which, cunningly and with masterful deception, proved to be a useful new nation in the West Pacific, taking on important roles in the region before eventually becoming delegate, at which point the nation mysteriously dropped out of activity. This event, which intentionally and successfully destabilized the West Pacific, was found to have been orchestrated by Darkesia, a prominent member of Gatesville intelligence, but it is entirely unknown as to whether or not Darkesia always controlled Lots of Ants,

Noting that Gatesville acted zealously against the World Assembly, and used its political influence to combat it,

Horrified by Gatesville’s long and appalling history of subverting and bullying prominent and happy regions into submission via dastardly intelligent covert operations and its massive terrorist army, just to satisfy its childish dislike for this Security Council and its own self-interests,

Hereby condemns Gatesville Inc.

This is the discussion thread. To cast your vote, go HERE

[Klopstock]

I have no problem with this resolution.

[Deleted]

I'm kind of torn on this one. The actions of Gatesville are definitely worthy of condemnation, but it's weird that Gatesville is not the actual target. Gatesville Inc is little more than an historic outpost, and even now, nearly inactive. I'm rarely in favour of condemning dying regions out of concern that the attention will just provide oxygen. If this is for the historic record, as stated, then why not condemn the actual region, or some of the specific nations involved in these activities? I think if Gatesville itself was the target, I'd support, but as it is, I think it misses the mark.

THX, through its WA proxy, will vote against.

[Jabberwocky]

The sins of the fathers, etc. Against

[bormiar]

Feb 1, 2020 23:29:45 GMT -5 @thx1138 said:

I'm kind of torn on this one. The actions of Gatesville are definitely worthy of condemnation, but it's weird that Gatesville is not the actual target. Gatesville Inc is little more than an historic outpost, and even now, nearly inactive. I'm rarely in favour of condemning dying regions out of concern that the attention will just provide oxygen. If this is for the historic record, as stated, then why not condemn the actual region, or some of the specific nations involved in these activities? I think if Gatesville itself was the target, I'd support, but as it is, I think it misses the mark.

THX, through its WA proxy, will vote against.

Gatesville Inc was created and run by the same people, and perpetrated one of the most successful coups in NationStates' history: the Dourian Embassy coup, so the "sins of the fathers" thing is erroneous- they changed the banner they rallied under slightly because their region was refounded by a non-Gatesville member. Gatesville Inc isn't just a branch off; it's a direct continuation analogous to what would happen if your region's founder CTEd and you just had to move the community to avoid raids. Gatesville Inc actually bears resemblance to what Gatesville should be, as evident by its WFE and founder. As such, it's entirely justified, and should be encouraged, to condemn Gatesville's second incarnation for the actions taken by it and its predecessor- the clear meaning being to condemn Gatesville in the organization's entirety without prejudice in its home.

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Feb 2, 2020 18:18:05 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Gatesville Inc was created and run by the same people, and perpetrated one of the most successful coups in NationStates' history: the Dourian Embassy coup, so the "sins of the fathers" thing is erroneous- they changed the banner they rallied under slightly because their region was refounded by a non-Gatesville member. Gatesville Inc isn't just a branch off; it's a direct continuation analogous to what would happen if your region's founder CTEd and you just had to move the community to avoid raids. Gatesville Inc actually bears resemblance to what Gatesville should be, as evident by its WFE and founder. As such, it's entirely justified, and should be encouraged, to condemn Gatesville's second incarnation for the actions taken by it and its predecessor- the clear meaning being to condemn Gatesville in the organization's entirety without prejudice in its home.

Thanks, that clarifies things a bit. It looks to me like the founder account gets opened then allowed to CTE pretty frequently. Looks like a puppet of an active player. How active would you say this entity (Gatesville) is in the game presently? I still don't generally like giving attention (even by condemnation) to regions or groups that are on the cusp of extinction. If they're active, yes. If they're done and it's for the record, yes. But I'm opposed to throwing fuel on a dying fire. Having done the research, and considering you're well on your way to passing anyhow, what's your honest take on this group's involvement in NS today? PM me if you wish.

[bormiar]

Feb 2, 2020 18:58:29 GMT -5 @thx1138 said:

Feb 2, 2020 18:18:05 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Gatesville Inc was created and run by the same people, and perpetrated one of the most successful coups in NationStates' history: the Dourian Embassy coup, so the "sins of the fathers" thing is erroneous- they changed the banner they rallied under slightly because their region was refounded by a non-Gatesville member. Gatesville Inc isn't just a branch off; it's a direct continuation analogous to what would happen if your region's founder CTEd and you just had to move the community to avoid raids. Gatesville Inc actually bears resemblance to what Gatesville should be, as evident by its WFE and founder. As such, it's entirely justified, and should be encouraged, to condemn Gatesville's second incarnation for the actions taken by it and its predecessor- the clear meaning being to condemn Gatesville in the organization's entirety without prejudice in its home.

Thanks, that clarifies things a bit. It looks to me like the founder account gets opened then allowed to CTE pretty frequently. Looks like a puppet of an active player. How active would you say this entity (Gatesville) is in the game presently? I still don't generally like giving attention (even by condemnation) to regions or groups that are on the cusp of extinction. If they're active, yes. If they're done and it's for the record, yes. But I'm opposed to throwing fuel on a dying fire. Having done the research, and considering you're well on your way to passing anyhow, what's your honest take on this group's involvement in NS today? PM me if you wish.

This proposal is entirely for the record, so they're involvement in NS is nothing more than its legacy. I wouldn't condemn an anti-WA region which coups GCR if I thought there was a shred of likelihood that doing so would recruit for it. Gatesville is dead and gone, as it has been for over half a decade.

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2020 19:08:06 GMT -5 bormiar said:

This proposal is entirely for the record, so they're involvement in NS is nothing more than its legacy. I wouldn't condemn an anti-WA region which coups GCR if I thought there was a shred of likelihood that doing so would recruit for it. Gatesville is dead and gone, as it has been for over half a decade.

Fair enough. You've made a good case. I'll switch my vote.

[bormiar]

Feb 2, 2020 21:38:59 GMT -5 @thx1138 said:

Feb 2, 2020 19:08:06 GMT -5 bormiar said:

This proposal is entirely for the record, so they're involvement in NS is nothing more than its legacy. I wouldn't condemn an anti-WA region which coups GCR if I thought there was a shred of likelihood that doing so would recruit for it. Gatesville is dead and gone, as it has been for over half a decade.

Fair enough. You've made a good case. I'll switch my vote.

Thanks! I really should post my arguments in the first post in a thread, but something about justifying it to someone making an opposing argument is a little fun .

[Lenlyvit]

Since the vote is now tied at 4 votes for and 4 votes Delegate's Prerogative I have withdrawn the Delegate vote from the SC.

[Deleted]

Feb 2, 2020 22:07:15 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Thanks! I really should post my arguments in the first post in a thread, but something about justifying it to someone making an opposing argument is a little fun .

I was never really opposed to it in principle. There's def enough worth condemning them. It came down more to logistics for me.

[bormiar]

Feb 1, 2020 21:53:24 GMT -5 Lenlyvit said:

Condemn Gatesville Inc

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation

Nominee(region): Gatesville Inc

Proposed By: Bormiar

The Security Council,

Believing that posthumous condemnations ought not to be invalidated by the Security Council for its nominee’s demise, as condemnations serve to recognize and provide an example of unethical actions as well as create a moral basis behind liberations and future condemnations,

Recognizing Gatesville Inc to be the remnants of Gatesville, a militaristic raider organization zealously devoted to the creation of chaos and misery,

Scolding Gatesville Inc for its perpetration of a month-long coup d’etat of Osiris in 2013, in which Osiris’ rogue delegate, The dourian embassy, as a desperate attempt to keep its position and prevent the legitimate delegate from taking power, chose to align itself with Gatesville Inc, who preceded to eject prominent natives, suppress the Regional Message Board which had been dominated by members of the Osiran community and lawful government, replace the distressed region’s flag - a prominent symbol of Osiran culture - with Gateville’s flag, and eventually indirectly destroy the Kemetic Republic of Osiris,

Admonishing Gatesville, the predecessor to Gatesville Inc made up of many of them same members, organizational structure, and leadership as Gatesville Inc, for its roles in promoting the instability of numerous prominent, efficient, and developed regions, such as:

1. The 2008 rogue delegacy in The North Pacific by its contemporary delegate Lewis and Clark (Westwind), in which Gatesville supported Westwind’s choice to dissolve the constitution, change the communication method used in the North Pacific, disband the North Pacific Army, and establish the “Crimson Order” as the new government; Gatesville threatened to “terminate the interests” of the legitimate North Pacific community, supported the rogue delegate with over 30 endorsements, and even supported attempted invasions of the Rejected Realms and Lazarus (twice) to distract soldiers from fighting for the North Pacific’s freedom,
2. Threatening the sovereignty of the North Pacific a year before the Lewis and Clark coup in supporting an Emperor Matthius rogue delegacy, in which a group of un-endorsement campaigners depleted the legitimate delegate Great Bright Mum’s endorsements and endorsed vice-delegate Emperor Matthius, illegally forcing it into the delegacy. Emperor matthius then used this event as a platform to eject its endorsers into the Rejected Realms, move there itself, and nearly overthrow the Rejected Realms’ delegacy,
3. Causing great fear and consternation in the previously content community of the East Pacific, in which Gatesville provided significant military assistance to the Empire that terrorized the East Pacific for a long and arduous 4 months, ejecting natives and demeaning them through propaganda,
4. A third major act of aggression against the North Pacific; when Gatesville supported the establishment of the North Pacific Directorate, a coup in which Pierconium seized the nation of Pixiedance, the North Pacific’s delegate, suspended the constitution, and instituted martial law, before Pixiedance retook control over its nation; When Pixiedance did the exact same thing as Pierconium had previously, Pierconium replaced the North Pacific’s government with a corrupt dictatorship known as the North Pacific Directorate, and Gatesville used its military might to support such,

Disgusted by Gatesville’s meddling hands which attempted to influence the governments of foreign regions via a vast intelligence network which reported confidential information to Gatesville and acted only in Gatesville’s interest, rather than the targeted region’s,

Acknowledging one of the notable spies under Gatesville: Lots of ants, which, cunningly and with masterful deception, proved to be a useful new nation in the West Pacific, taking on important roles in the region before eventually becoming delegate, at which point the nation mysteriously dropped out of activity. This event, which intentionally and successfully destabilized the West Pacific, was found to have been orchestrated by Darkesia, a prominent member of Gatesville intelligence, but it is entirely unknown as to whether or not Darkesia always controlled Lots of Ants,

Noting that Gatesville acted zealously against the World Assembly, and used its political influence to combat it,

Horrified by Gatesville’s long and appalling history of subverting and bullying prominent and happy regions into submission via dastardly intelligent covert operations and its massive terrorist army, just to satisfy its childish dislike for this Security Council and its own self-interests,

Hereby condemns Gatesville Inc.

This is the discussion thread. To cast your vote, go HERE

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