SC Proposal: Commend Kindjal

[Lenlyvit]

Commend Kindjal

A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation

Nominee(nation): Kindjal

Proposed By: Bormiar

The Security Council,

Recognizing Kindjal, a definitively utopic nation, to align suitably with the opinions of the World Assembly, which includes laudable international involvement, as well as practically-managed domestic policy,

Flattered by Kindjal’s internationally-beneficial foreign policy, which outlaws weapons of mass destruction, supports research into a space program, and spends the 9th-most in the world on foreign aid,

In agreement with Kindjal’s educated democratic system, which encourages free speech, devolutes management to local authorities in order to target each community specifically, and mandates each citizen’s vote be treated equally, rather than resorting to electoral colleges,

Acclaiming Kindjal’s spectacular services it provides for its billions of citizens, which consists of:

• A public universal healthcare system (ranked 29th in the world), having an adequate ability to prevent treatment, a basic necessity to life, from causing financial ruin; a capacity to mitigate or even eradicate the effects of both common maladies and obscure diseases; and readiness when faced by emergency- this system has allowed Kindjal to have incredible general health among the citizenry (5th in world), and a lifespan of over a century (2nd),

• A vitally-important public education system, which, being the top priority of the government expenditure, invests in Kindjali childrens’ future, teaching them of Kindjali culture, values, and life knowledge such as sex education, and has allowed Kindjal to maintain a highly intelligent population (3rd in world),

• A safe, public transport alternative to dangerous automobiles which nearly eliminates cursing when commuting to work, and makes people happier and safer,

Proud of Kindjal’s rehabilitative law enforcement structure, which, having enforced a widespread demilitarized population, has nearly eradicated murder, and choking toddlers,

Impressed by Kindjal's AI-run economy, which has spurred the nation into becoming highly honest and unlikely to foster bribery or corruption,

Pleased by Kindjal's inclusiveness (2nd in world), which celebrates freedom to choose to marry those of the same sex as them, and encourages a heterogeneous population,

Documenting its other genial characteristics, such as a compassionate (1st in world), and nice (1st in world) population,

Closely Observing a beautiful environment in Kindjal, first in the world for not only its stunningness but also its satisfyingly sunny weather, cultivated by the governments eco-friendly policies, such as banning animal imprisonment, investing in a detailed climate change prevention program, and spending trillions of kins (currency of Kindjal) on maintaining a stunning ecosystem,

Jealous of the tens of millions of tourists (Kindjal is 1st in the world for tourism) that frequent the culturally significant nation yearly, as Kindjal maintains an educated and refined society,

Aware that achieving these legendary feats is no easy task, as it takes years of carefully refining a nation’s decisions and policies, and mistakes in a radically-utopic nation lead to radically destructive consequences,

Lauding Kindjal as a shining example to the world of being led with tenacity, determination, resolve, intelligence, activity, and persistence, even through the most detrimental of poor choices,

Hereby resolutely commends Kindjal.

This is the discussion thread. To cast your vote, go HERE

[Deleted]

THX, through proxy, will vote For.

[Lenlyvit]

I'm not really in favor of this proposal, it feels like we're lowering the standards of a commendable player down to site longevity.

[HumanSanity]

I'm against this. I think a fundamental element of either a Commend or a Condemn is that the player must have done something interactive or social in nature - i.e. interacting with the rest of the NS community. This proposal lacks that element.

[bormiar]

Mar 12, 2020 11:27:47 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

I'm against this. I think a fundamental element of either a Commend or a Condemn is that the player must have done something interactive or social in nature - i.e. interacting with the rest of the NS community. This proposal lacks that element.

For the record, here's what I said to HS in the discord:

"They said why they haven't talked much: forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36817637#p36817637

I think it's actually pretty cool how they couldn't do roleplay like they wanted because of their language, and yet they still played the game and found something they were able to do phenomenally in. I also find it pretty cool how they were able to still inspire people like PS2 despite that "I don't got that much wisdom to share"."

[Jabberwocky]

While Kindjal seems like a great nation, I don't see its accomplishments as being worthy of official Commendation. Against.

[HumanSanity]

Mar 12, 2020 14:08:23 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Mar 12, 2020 11:27:47 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

I'm against this. I think a fundamental element of either a Commend or a Condemn is that the player must have done something interactive or social in nature - i.e. interacting with the rest of the NS community. This proposal lacks that element.

For the record, here's what I said to HS in the discord:

"They said why they haven't talked much: forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36817637#p36817637

I think it's actually pretty cool how they couldn't do roleplay like they wanted because of their language, and yet they still played the game and found something they were able to do phenomenally in. I also find it pretty cool how they were able to still inspire people like PS2 despite that "I don't got that much wisdom to share"."

I thought about this a fair amount, and I decided I'm still opposed.

I think the extenuating circumstances in that post are valid, but that if we accept them as valid reasons to grant a Commendation we permanently de-limit the set of Commendable contributions.

I am sympathetic to the fact that language barriers kept them from participating in the way they wanted. It is worth noting there are regions where French is used extensively on the RMB, but that may not be where they settled. However, lots of players have overcome this and played in languages that are not their first language, often with success. Certainly it is not easy, and I am personally grateful it is not something I have to do, but clearly it is doable. Furthermore, if we give a Commendation to every player with a niche who faced language barriers that prevented them from leaving that niche, I think we may be putting another 50-100 Commendable nations on the table once Borm has done his research, which seems like a bit much.

Furthermore, we've all received rude and nasty TGs over time. I don't doubt that for a second. However, other Commendation recipients have continued to play socially regardless.

Lastly, the claim that they don't have much wisdom to share actually proves Lenlyvit's original point in the SC forum that issue answering success is a lot of luck and consistency, not skill or helping others. Originally, I wasn't much persuaded by that argument, and I'm still not really. But, the nominee themselves seems to agree their accomplishments weren't difficult per se

With that, I'm still AGAINST. Not out of some virulent hatred of Kindjal. Just because I think in order to be Commended or Condemned your actions must at least effect others (a threshold which, agree or disagree with the resolution, Condemn Koem Kab did meet but this does not).

[bormiar]

Just a note on the above: issue answering is not a niche. Gameplay is more a niche than issue answering.

[HumanSanity]

Mar 15, 2020 17:08:37 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Just a note on the above: issue answering is not a niche. Gameplay is more a niche than issue answering.

"Gameplay" isn't a unitary thing. It's a variety of things including WA work (SC and GA), treaty/alliance building, R/D military, community/region building, etc. Ultimately, we're all niche players, but Commendable players usually occupy multiple niches and socially occupy niches.

I don't think saying you have to be social is elitism. It's a pretty base level suggestion.

[bormiar]

Mar 16, 2020 10:34:27 GMT -5 HumanSanity said:

Mar 15, 2020 17:08:37 GMT -5 bormiar said:

Just a note on the above: issue answering is not a niche. Gameplay is more a niche than issue answering.

"Gameplay" isn't a unitary thing. It's a variety of things including WA work (SC and GA), treaty/alliance building, R/D military, community/region building, etc. Ultimately, we're all niche players, but Commendable players usually occupy multiple niches and socially occupy niches.

I'd prefer to focus on one thing and be phenomenal at it / ecstatic while doing it than stretch yourself over lots of things. SC proposals in my experience always have a predominant focus in my experience, because for the best raiders, you know they're raiders; for the best GAers, you know they're GAers. You don't think of Imperium Anglorum as a roleplayer even though he probably does it in the GA, or at least you don't really mention it in a proposal, because he's a phenomenal GA author. Not a phenomenal roleplayer.