WW69 - The Red Court War

[Ayunli]

Vote: No Lynch

[Palman]

Night falls in Chicago. 16 of 17 players have voted and have unanimously agreed that no one should be lynched for day one.

If you go bump in the night, you have 24 hours to get bumping.

A reminder: Day 1 was the only day phase which will be only 24 hours. Future day phases are 48 hours.

Pinging Haivon.

[Haivon]

Sorry Palman,! I a bit forgot about the Forum in the last days.

Vote: No Lynch

[Marxist Germany]

Bit late for that...

[Palman]

It is dawn. All 17 players still live. The Winter and Summer courts are still balanced.

Day 2 now begins and will last for 48 hours.

[Sauron]

Well that's a shock...

[Aersoldorf]

Jun 14, 2020 17:20:23 GMT -5 Sauron said:

Well that's a shock...

Which role did you think was most likely to attempt a kill last night? Given that the Red King can’t order a kill until the second night, coupled with the dangers inherent for the other roles who have a night kill power, I’m not terribly surprised that nobody tried anything sinister last night. Of course I’m still trying to work out all the possible scenarios in my head and could very well be overlooking something.

[Wischland]

I'm with Aersoldorf. As far as I can tell, it wasn't possible/smart for anyone to kill last night. Which makes it hard to try to figure out who's who. Unfortunately, not lynching anyone today leaves us in the same position as the first day, but with the Red King having already infected someone.

Even so, I'm hesitant to lynch anyone since we have so little information. I'm interested to hear everyone else's thoughts.

[Tuga Nation's Dragon]

I agree with Aersoldorf... And using a kill power with the 3 knights alive can backfire as well... And don't forget the balance needed by the fairies as well...
I'm unsure on voting to lynch someone... Perhaps we should let the seer get more info for one night... As will the mob boss as well... But we will have the first converted vampire too...

[Inquista]

Yeah, Aersoldorf is correct. The only one that could have killed somebody in the night was Morgan (which would have been dangerous to do, since they'd lose their power if they attacked a non-wizard human, and they'd be shooting in the dark at this point), and maybe the Knights if they correctly protected someone (not sure if the Red King trying to infect someone counts at attacking)?

I'm also down for not lynching, but I want to hear what others have to say first.

[Al0neForever]

I am fine with not lynching. Really nothing else that can be said about this situation.

[Musketoon]

The things we know as of now
-Henry and the Alphas did not find a vampire (or the Red King in Henry's case) as they would be pushing for a lynching of someone or at least an explanation
-If Jonny is smart he also did not find the Red king as he would be able to call him out lynch him and end the game right there with him alive
-Both the points on Jonny and Alphas aren't valid if they got infected
-The Red King did not infect Henry or Thomas or he would be called out

Obviously nothing really great to go off. That being said I will be
Voting: Haivon

This is purely do to the fact that from what I saw in the past game the people who aren't active in the beginning aren't active later. Still totally down to vote differently if someone purposes a different or better idea.

I am also happy to keep a tally of the votes as I did last game

[Musketoon]

when I said
Vote: Haivon I meant to say lynch in there just missed it

[Louisistan]

Jun 14, 2020 23:24:26 GMT -5 Musketoon said:

The things we know as of now
-Henry and the Alphas did not find a vampire (or the Red King in Henry's case) as they would be pushing for a lynching of someone or at least an explanation
-If Jonny is smart he also did not find the Red king as he would be able to call him out lynch him and end the game right there with him alive
-Both the points on Jonny and Alphas aren't valid if they got infected
-The Red King did not infect Henry or Thomas or he would be called out

Obviously nothing really great to go off. That being said I will be
Voting: Haivon

This is purely do to the fact that from what I saw in the past game the people who aren't active in the beginning aren't active later. Still totally down to vote differently if someone purposes a different or better idea.

I am also happy to keep a tally of the votes as I did last game

I don't think your assessment is quite correct. If someone found the Red King, for example, they might still try to build up followers first, before going after the Red King. After all, if someone came out right now and claimed that somebody else was the Red King - why would we believe that?

[Eastern New England]

I would also like to hear what Haivon has to say for himself, before we determine to lynch him. For all we know, we could be lynching an important role without even knowing it.

[Tuga Nation's Dragon]

Jun 15, 2020 2:31:27 GMT -5 Eastern New England said:

I would also like to hear what Haivon has to say for himself, before we determine to lynch him. For all we know, we could be lynching an important role without even knowing it.

exactly... Normally, I use to do the same thing, go after the innactive players, but Haivon did post here, despite being late... And with all the things we have to consider, roles, balance and such, I find the urgency in lynching Haivon a bit suspicious...

[Marxist Germany]

Personally, since the odds of lynching a Red Court member are very slim, I would caution against lynching an inactive player just for the sake of it.

[Wille-Harlia]

I agree that the urgency with which Musketoon is going for Haivon is suspicious. Assuming this is because he knows Haivon's role, he would have to be Harry, Marcone, or one of the Alphas.

[Klopstock]

Reading the roles and rules again, I'm also not surprised that nothing happened last night. There's a lot of roles and rules to consider and time lag built into the game. Unless something else presents itself, I think another no lynch day is preferable.

Vote: No lynch

[Louisistan]

Hmph. This is difficult. Very difficult. I'm not yet convinced we should be voting No Lynch. But I've got no better idea. So I'll hold off and vote later.

[Shy Guy]

I'm not suprised at all there were no kills last night. I'd be more suprised if nothing happened during N2.

Lynching Haivon is a bad idea, but voting for no lynch is probably bad (but less bad than killing Haivon). I'm mostly a bit suspect of Musketoon for going for someone inactive during the least important day, but I'll hold my vote until tomorrow.

[Wischland]

Well, Musketoon certainly has gotten the debate started!

What I noticed when reading Musketoon's post was the way they phrased how each person would be acting, which makes me think we can narrow down Musketoon's role. Things like "if Jonny is smart" would be pretty braggadocios if they were Jonny, so that seems unlikely to me. Furthermore, the inclusion of their third point discredits the Alphas and Jonny, which Musketoon wouldn't want if they were those roles. It just doesn't make sense for Musketoon to say these things if they were in any of the seer roles. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

Also, Musketoon's post is pretty commanding, which makes it seem like Musketoon wants the seers to reveal themselves. Though the chances of the seers having found the Red King the first night are quite low.

Regardless, I just don't think we have enough information to figure out who to lynch. So, I'm still leaning towards no lynch. I hold back on voting for now though, in case anything else comes up.

[Aersoldorf]

Jun 15, 2020 11:59:20 GMT -5 Shy Guy said:

Lynching Haivon is a bad idea, but voting for no lynch is probably bad (but less bad than killing Haivon).

You sound pretty sure, care to elaborate? Or were you just agreeing that it’s not a good idea to lynch inactive players just yet?

[Louisistan]

[Source] Wischland said:

Also, Musketoon's post is pretty commanding, which makes it seem like Musketoon wants the seers to reveal themselves.

I second this and find it suspicious.

Jun 15, 2020 12:34:15 GMT -5 Aersoldorf said:

Jun 15, 2020 11:59:20 GMT -5 Shy Guy said:

Lynching Haivon is a bad idea, but voting for no lynch is probably bad (but less bad than killing Haivon).

You sound pretty sure, care to elaborate? Or were you just agreeing that it’s not a good idea to lynch inactive players just yet?

Also second this. Shy Guy seems to imply he knows Haivon's role.

[Shy Guy]

Jun 15, 2020 12:34:15 GMT -5 Aersoldorf said:

Jun 15, 2020 11:59:20 GMT -5 Shy Guy said:

Lynching Haivon is a bad idea, but voting for no lynch is probably bad (but less bad than killing Haivon).

You sound pretty sure, care to elaborate? Or were you just agreeing that it’s not a good idea to lynch inactive players just yet?

I'm just agreeing that lynching "inactive" players on D2 is a bad idea, but I'd like to start narrowing down the numbers somehow through other ways than just the Red Court killing everyone.

[Musketoon]

Wischland said:
Also, Musketoon's post is pretty commanding, which makes it seem like Musketoon wants the seers to reveal themselves. Though the chances of the seers having found the Red King the first night are quite low.

I understand that the probability of the seers finding the red king n1 is slim but I honestly do believe that either Harry or even Jonny reveal themselves at least for the idea that they would then be able to the knights protecting them or at the very least deter the Red King from going after them due to them assuming they have protection from the knights.

Louisistan
I don't think your assessment is quite correct. If someone found the Red King, for example, they might still try to build up followers first, before going after the Red King. After all, if someone came out right now and claimed that somebody else was the Red King - why would we believe that?

This is a fair point which I didn't take in to account in my assessment. However, I believe that if someone were to find them it would be much more beneficial to call the Red King out quickly as 1. they further we go into the game the more voting power the king has 2. The less power we have 3. Honestly if someone were to accuse another person on day one of being the red king I would probably vote for them as there are a large amount of players in this game as well as since it is early we could be able to either confirm the accuser with by voting and based upon results could then choose to ignore, lynch or trust the person going forward.

Tuga Nation's Dragon

10 hours ago Eastern New England said:
I would also like to hear what Haivon has to say for himself, before we determine to lynch him. For all we know, we could be lynching an important role without even knowing it.

exactly... Normally, I use to do the same thing, go after the innactive players, but Haivon did post here, despite being late... And with all the things we have to consider, roles, balance and such, I find the urgency in lynching Haivon a bit suspicious...

This is understandable caution but I think that we can almost rule out Haivon having a truly important roll. I find it most likely that he is a Neutral character or one of the other good characters (most likely Thomas or Karrin in my mind due to the lack of active abilities). I believe this mostly due to the case that if I was an important role I would be on top of making sure I was making my voice heard/not dying to inactivity lynch's. As I'm writing this out it feels like I'm kinda dooming myself to be thought of as an evil or infected but hey I flip flopped to much last game and so until Haivon says something that convinces me otherwise I will be sticking to my vote.

Shy Guy
Lynching Haivon is a bad idea, but voting for no lynch is probably bad (but less bad than killing Haivon). I'm mostly a bit suspect of Musketoon for going for someone inactive during the least important day, but I'll hold my vote until tomorrow.

I was just simply doing what I had observed to be the normal day 2 vote. People in this are going to be changing their sides so quickly that the seers are going to have their work cut out for them as people change from their starting roles to vampires one less inactive person is fine by me at least at that point we can all mark a role off as taken. I also find it strange that you think that lynching Haivon specifically is a bad idea but you still seem open to lynch someone else with no other leads (besides the apparent target I painted on my back when I decided to get actual discussion going).

Wischland
Well, Musketoon certainly has gotten the debate started!

Good. The game is much more fun when people are actually talking

[Ayunli]

I don't see much to go on yet, so I feel a no lynch is worth it for now.

Vote: No Lynch

[Inquista]

Checking in on my lunch break, not sure if I will have time to read everything. Thus, for now...

Vote: no lynch

[Eastern New England]

I also have no other idea than to
Vote: No lynch.
I am open to change my vote if something suggests so.

[Al0neForever]

There is really no one else to vote for so I'm just gonna

Vote: No Lynch