SC Resolution: Condemn DEN

[Paffnia]

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Condemn DEN
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: DEN | Proposed by: The rouge Christmas state

Description: Security Council:

Recognizing that the region known as DEN has committed numerous atrocities throughout Nationstates, and will not quit raiding for the foreseeable future

Noting that these attacks or raids on other regions are not illegal, but have been and should be heavily criticized by many nations on Nationstates. The strategy of raiding defaces a region and leaves a barren region that destroys unique cultures and communities that exist on Nationstates

Appaled that DEN has conducted numerous raids on regions including:

• The invasion and occupation of Catholic in the 2012, leading to the Security Resolution to Liberate the region.
• The occupation of Japan
• The invasion of the region of Christmas.
• The occupation of California
• The most recent invasion of St Abbaddon

Further Noting that the modern day DEN was the creation formed from the occupation of The Atheist Empire, later on attracting many former Black Riders, where they continue to deploy and use the same strategies and tactics that condemned the Black Riders

Shocked that these actions haven't deemed DEN worthy of a condemnation, even though the atrocities they have done to many regions on Nationstates.

Believing that these actions are an aspect of Nationstates that should not be condoned, but rather discouraged. Feeling as though these actions are worthy of international scrutiny

Hereby condemns DEN

[Paffnia]

Command, thoughts? Klopstock Louisistan Barry Kanta Hame Woonsocket Elite

[Klopstock]

I'd have to look into whether this is indeed a self-condemn. But at the same time, DEN is a heavy recruiter and a condemnation badge could have an impact on their numbers, as the Pacific has experienced since being condemned. I'll get back on this.

[Woonsocket]

I tend to go immediately to "no" when it comes to condemning raiding regions. But Klop has a point - I'll go with what he says.

[Hayastan]

DEN is a huge raiding region and a condemnation would lower their numbers, so I vote YES

[Louisistan]

Here's a good reason for voting against.

This references a raid from 2012. If this condemnation were to pass, it'd give legitimacy to the claim that the new DEN, formed after the downfall of TBR, was in fact the same as the old DEN.

That's absolutely not something we should be supporting, especially considering that XKI was at war with the old DEN.

[Barry]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of giving any raider region a shiny badge to display and gloat over on their home page, regardless of whether they or someone else proposed it. Again, just my personal opinion.

[Klopstock]

The impetus for this seems to be the invasion of Catholic, and it comes from Right to Life, a region that remembers that invasion. DEN's friends are not voting for it either and DEN's public face is indifferent, so it doesn't appear to be a self-condemn.

I've voted against it on account of this DEN still being fairly recent, the inaccurate claims of their activities, and that I have no real insight on how a condemnation affects raider recruitment. I'd like to look into that at some point, but for now, against.

[Paffnia]

The Islands' vote has been cast AGAINST this resolution.

[Paffnia]

Condemn DEN was passed 9,151 votes to 5,811.

[Barry]

Boo! Hiss!