A resolution to forbid a region's conversion to or from a Frontier.
Category: Injunction
Nominee (region): Algerheaven
Proposed By: Eternal Algerstonia
Noting that Algerheaven was made a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away;
Stunned that turmoil has engulfed Algerheaven, with the opposition against Lone Wolves United over outlying disputes is in dispute;
Horrified that the greedy Lone Wolves United will stop all nations to the small region of Algerheaven;
Noting that while the delegations of the Security Council endlessly debate this alarming chain of events, the supreme Emperor of Algerheaven has secretly dispatched an Injunction, the guardian of Frontiers and Strongholds in this galaxy, to settle Algerheaven's future;
Hereby injuncts Algerheaven.
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Last Edit: Nov 10, 2023 1:29:22 GMT -5 by Astrobolt
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Post by icethousand on Nov 10, 2023 1:37:20 GMT -5
While I'm not eligible to vote, full support. I understand why people would dislike Alger, and while I personally do not dislike him I also do not believe there is a compelling reason that people should like him. However, the reason I support this is Lone Wolves United being the party occupying Algerheaven and flying their flag on the region. After their quorum raiding shenanigans which targeted, inter alia, our own frontier region, LWU are not people I want to reward with another raid trophy. Alger's antics don't cause any real harm other than being annoying, LWU's do cause -- and have indeed caused -- real harm. Therefore, I support this and encourage others here to also vote for.
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If Alger's "antics" are relevant to considering the resolution, then some context may be needed to explain what happened and why it's important to the discussion so the rest of us aren't voting in ignorance.
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I’m not a fan of the precedent of running SC resolutions for parody roleplay stuff. Alger declined to be defended because they’re roleplaying a war against defenders (afaik, someone else might have more details on this than me), and we shouldn’t be injecting a region that had expressly declined a defense (unless they have a legit reason).
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If Alger's "antics" are relevant to considering the resolution, then some context may be needed to explain what happened and why it's important to the discussion so the rest of us aren't voting in ignorance.
I, too, would like more information. Right now I see it as a TITO matter.
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I’m not a fan of the precedent of running SC resolutions for parody rp stuff. Alger declined to be defended because of the rp thing they’re doing, and we shouldn’t be injecting a region that express declined a defense.
I can't say I'm convinced by this argument -- evidently there is native consent for this resolution, and I don't think native consent for a libjunction but not for a military liberation are mutually exclusive. This happened with Canada, which was injuncted despite having declined a military liberation. Granted, Canada had a real reason for this rather than only "being liberated would stop me from making this joke", and I do wish Algerstonia had been wiser in that regard.
If Alger's "antics" are relevant to considering the resolution, then some context may be needed to explain what happened and why it's important to the discussion so the rest of us aren't voting in ignorance.
I, too, would like more information. Right now I see it as a TITO matter.
Alger LARPs (although in a satirical fashion) as a MAGA supporter fighting the "Deep State" and "NWO" and various other conspiracy theories. See eg their NSG posting history.
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Post by Jabberwocky on Nov 10, 2023 16:28:56 GMT -5
Is it true that Algerheaven has been known to raid?
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So icethousand/Magecastle covers it a bit, Alger is a well-known NSG/NSGP poster who parodies Trump and MAGAisms, and talks about fighting the "elites" and the "woke" "globalist" establishment.
Part of the shtick with Algerheaven is basically a right wing parody region, which is why I'm not certain they are serious.
Now currently, Algerheaven is being raided by raiders including LWU, but Alger declined being liberated by defenders which is why none of us attempted a jump on the region.
Previously Alger submitted an Injunct, but in the process sent a tag:WA to Islanders, which violates our laws against campaign spam.
When I brought it up with them initially, they sent me spam.
In this iteration, I appreciate that they didn't send a tag:WA to Islanders, but currently, they are spamming my discord DMs (including sending a message in Arabic), so I'm not convinced this is a serious attempt here.
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I'm not particularly inclined to vote to protect a region that exists primarily as a parody and has declined liberation from the same raiders they claim to seek protection from. Pantso recommends Against.
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Post by Jabberwocky on Nov 11, 2023 11:22:19 GMT -5
The two preceding posts decide it for me. AGAINST.
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