Sinn's customary protest endorsement

[Sinn Féin's Ireland]

In my usual protest against Founder Endorsement, whatever the candidate, on account of the fact that being such a respected character, such endorsement carries weight equivalent to a large financial lobby, and that it unduly influences the votes of the more apathetic islander.[/i]


I will continue to make an official Ministerial endorsement until founder endorsement practice ends.


I endorse Mandali for senate. As our first Golden Nation Mandali has also proven a vital worker in the Regional Reserve. Without him there would be no Private Sector and stock market in the way there is today. This continued dedication and general activity in 10KI lead me to believe Mandali would make an excellent addition to Cabinet.

I also endorse Soviet Prussia for senate. Again general forum activity, participation in Immigration and pragmatic approach to Regional politics leads me to believe that SP would be an excellent senator, especially given his status as (a now) long term islander.

[repaxan]

sinn said:

In my usual protest against Founder Endorsement, whatever the candidate, on account of the fact that being such a respected character, such endorsement carries weight equivalent to a large financial lobby, and that it unduly influences the votes of the more apathetic islander.

[/i][/quote]

Founders have every right to endorse whoever they want. It is only a statement of opinion. In any case, when was the last time that you actually considered the television guy's endorsement of a certain candidate when you were deciding who to vote for?

[Bad Infinitum]

If the president of the United States endorsed something, I would vehemently support the opposite. It's just a matter of perspective, I guess. The way I see it, Grub gets to vote just as all of us do, he has just as much right as you or I does to endorse a candidate.

[Anime Daisuki]

sinn said:

In my usual protest against Founder Endorsement, whatever the candidate, on account of the fact that being such a respected character, such endorsement carries weight equivalent to a large financial lobby, and that it unduly influences the votes of the more apathetic islander.

[/i]


I will continue to make an official Ministerial endorsement until founder endorsement practice ends.


[/quote]

I don't like how this is going. You may say, "I'm endorsing so-and-so to protest against Grub's endorsement". But others can follow suit. This protest may lead to counter-protests and in the end what we're left is trivilization of something important and sacred.

Let us endorse candidates not to "protest" but because we REALLY want to endorse them. Let us elect candidates not because they are members of UPP or ACP, but because they are good individuals worthy of our vote.

Also, Grub has been endorsing people since time began. This is something everyone should accept as it is.

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[Noyzistan]

^ Just because something has become a tradition, doesn't mean it is right.

I, however, have nothing against grub's endoring (sic) people.

it would be funny, if just for fun even, grub endorsed Mandali and Soviet Prussia. Just out of curiosity, would Sinn change his Endores (sic)? :grin: I haven't seen Grub's endores yet, but I am eagerly awaiting them. :grin: good luck to all candidates.

edit: ok, I found grub's endore for Estay.

[SovietPrussia]

repaxan said:

sinn said:

In my usual protest against Founder Endorsement, whatever the candidate, on account of the fact that being such a respected character, such endorsement carries weight equivalent to a large financial lobby, and that it unduly influences the votes of the more apathetic islander.

[/i][/quote]

Founders have every right to endorse whoever they want. It is only a statement of opinion. In any case, when was the last time that you actually considered the television guy's endorsement of a certain candidate when you were deciding who to vote for?[/quote]

Exactly,

Oh, and thanks Sinn.

[Mandali]

Thanks for the endorsement.

[Fleeb]

So Mandali & S-P, can we assume that you also oppose Founder endorsement and other execises of Founder executive authority?

If not, would you consider repudiating this form of hostility to the Founder?

If you aren't ready to repudiate it, can you enumerate your reasons for this position, to clarify your own stand, as distinct from Sinn's?

[Sinn Féin's Ireland]

This isn't a party thing. This is a personal thing. Otherwise i'd have done it under the UPP. Their own opinions are doubtless different.

It's just that in the past Grub has endorsed some frankly sub-standard candidates on the strength of the fact that they've done the job before. They won the election, and continued to do a poor job. Nobody wins.

Incidentally, i am supporting these candidates as i feel they are the best, it's just that what i'd like to happen is for them to convince us to vote for them, through eloquence, good advertising, and proof of dedication, rather than having government heavies stamp a big thumbs up next to their name that could influence the decision of those few nations who, instead of reading the discussion/Q&A threads will just go along with what said important islanders recommend.


I'm making a mountain out of a molehill as usual, but this is just an issue that continues to irk me. Sorry.

EDIT: This is not a seditious anti-founder thing, please don't put it that way, it is an isolated issue which i'm not in favour of. Peaceful and non-militant protest is allowed.

[Noyzistan]

*Noyz wanders out in his Gandhi outift which doesn't seem to fit him as well as it did Gandhi*
"I have come to thank you for putting this in a separate thread than that of each said candidate. good luck with your protest. I have brought you a loaf of bread to aid you in your vigil"

however, such aggressive emotions might only hurt the guys your trying to promote. Just want to say that since I believe Mandali and SP are great guys and I, too, would like to see them do well.

Cheers, mate!

[Anime Daisuki]

Doing tit-for-tat endorsements is perhaps not the best form of protest.

And if you consider founder endorsements wrong, then Ministerial endorsements (as you make it out to be) are also wrong. Making two wrongs does not make one right.

In the first place,--- and this is to everyone that questions the founder's right to endorse--- There is a difference between Grub and others on the Co9.

The Founder is not an office position. He is not your typical President or Prime Minister. He is more like a monarch, or a father figure in a family. You do not vote to select your father.

Ministers on the other hand, are office holders. They derive their power from the Founder. If the point behind the argument is that office holders should not abuse that office by endorsing anyone, then this should apply to Ministers, not the Founder.

Senators are chosen and empowered by citizens, and hence, if they make an endorsement, that endorsement theoretically must represent the aspirations of his or her constituent. To make an endorsement without consulting them will also be an abuse of office.

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