"Intolerant" gay marriage supporters, meet Shirley

[Jmarjhah]

And even better, Shirley strikes back!:
Oh, the intolerance of the pro-gay marriage movement!

P.S.
1. I'm pretty sure that everyone in Shirley's church is secretly in the same family.
2. You have to love the news anchor in the second clip. Even if you don't love fox, she is awesome.

[Enigmatic]

I'd just like to make clear that her views and the views of Westboro Baptist Church are not the views of Baptists everywhere. Or most Christians for that matter. As a Baptist, I'm going to go ahead and condemn them.

What they preach isn't even close to the word of God. God hates sin, yes, but he does not wish harm on any one. He does not want to send us to hell, He does not want to see us eternally apart from Him.. He wants the exact opposite and provides a way for us to avoid being condemned to eternity apart from God. These people are false prophets.

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

She's a Dumb B*****!! Can we say Cult. Only dumb a** people go to that church.

[Jmarjhah]

Enegmatic, do you agree with Shirley's position on gays, though?

[Estayland]

Ive heard of that church. I wonder if thats the same church that protested a soldier's funeral here.

[Otupia]

she speaks with the same conviction as charlie manson.....scary

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

It is,



The Bible teaches that God loves everyone.


People like that is what gives Christainity a bad name.

[Otupia]

I think western history gives Christianity a bad name

[Jmarjhah]

Especially the crusades.

[Iwerddon]

Lol so funny when both left and right pundits rip on someone. So hilarious! Not everyone is their family she said.... only 80%! lmao!

Every faction be it religious, political or whatever have their absolute nut jobs who are mind boggling crazy. I'd say they should all be ignored, but it's probably better to know they are there and keep tabs on them =P

So my question is why do you keep asking if Enig supports her view on gays? And really her view on gays was that god is just going to kill them off...

[Jmarjhah]

He hasn't killed them off in thousands of years, so obviously he doesn't care if they are here.

[Iwerddon]

Yea but she is obviously god's mouthpiece, so it's gunna happen here soon lest ye repent!

[MinnaCaroline]

I love Iwerddon!

[Mutanatia]

Dec 8, 2008 17:42:54 GMT -5 Jmarjhah said:

And even better, Shirley strikes back!:
Oh, the intolerance of the pro-gay marriage movement!

P.S.
1. I'm pretty sure that everyone in Shirley's church is secretly in the same family.
2. You have to love the news anchor in the second clip. Even if you don't love fox, she is awesome.

See, that's the thing:
On either side of ANY argument, a select few people will be rude, intolerant, etc. etc. etc.

But on either side of ANY argument, more people will be better-behaved, and understand the other side (yet disagree based on their reasons, rather than say "OMG! You are GAY! You will die in Hell!")

That being said, I'm undecided about such matters. I figure it should be up to the person. But that's just me.

[Grub]

Westboro Baptist Church has a bunch of complete and utter crazies. That group unfairly gives Baptists a bad name.

[Enigmatic]

Should we start a thread about the Crusades? I did a whole presentation on them this semester. There are a lot of misconceptions about the Crusades. Not to excuse Christianity, but there is a lot of blame to share between everyone involved.

But that's off topic. The Bible makes it's position on homosexuality very clear and I believe what the Bible says. My exact views are somewhat different from other Christians so far as I can tell. I do and do not believe that homosexuality is a choice. You don't just pick to be gay, I believe it is something intrinsic, but you do choose to act on those feelings. I am heterosexual but choose not to engage in certain things before marriage. Were I to, I would be guilty of a sin. Homosexuals have a similar situation. Why has God done this? I do not know and it is not my place to answer that question. What I do know is that there is a plan and all things work together for good. You can not believe this if you choose, but my own life is proof enough for me.

I do not think it is our place to restrict gay marriage. I believe that it should be the right of the church to refuse to marry a gay couple if they so choose, but if the state chooses to sanction it that is something else. We are commanded to follow our government, to be good citizens. We can, of course, always protest respectfully. It has been suggested on this forum and at large that state and church recognition of marriage should be separated. Perhaps this is the answer.

As a student of history, I know the dangers of fanaticism. I know that separation of church and state is for the protection of the church. I have always believed that the best way to argue a point is to remain calm and present your argument respectfully. If you are correct, the truth will speak for itself. This is why violence and hate mongering is unacceptable. All things Christians do should be in reflection of Christ. The term Christian means "little Christ," after all. Christ sat with the sinner. He ate side by side with the sinner. (Of course He did. We're all sinners. If He didn't eat with sinners, He would have had very lonely meals.) He did not berate them. He did not abuse them. He did not condemn them to hell. What He did do was provide the path away from hell to an eternity with God.

When one looks at the crimes of the church, one must realize that those are not crimes of God, but crimes of man. For the good of the church, we must not have the kind of power demonstrated in the past. Do not focus to much on the crimes of the church. As Iwer said, all sides have their crazies. People are violent. People are liars. People are hateful. People are imperfect. God is not. God judges all mankind equally. A priest, a pastor, a minister, a monk, or an everyday Christian has no more right to sin against God than any other person. An act committed in the name of God does not mean that God Himself sanctioned that action. All those who sin, in other words all of us, will one day answer for all the ill we have done. He will judge us all imperfect, for we are all imperfect. The best person in the world is still no comparison to the righteous of God. The only course of action is to accept Christ as our savior. He has taken our punishment already; all we have to do is accept what He has already done for us.

Well that got long real quick like. Hope you enjoyed it. No, scratch that. I hope it made you think whether you agreed with it or not. Never stop seeking the truth, ladies and gentlemen.

[TheSensitiveNewAge]

Any belief system taken too far is deranged and dangerous, communism, capitalism, any religion, proselytizing atheism, patriotism morphed to jingoism, science/psuedo-science (i.e. phrenology used to say Amerindians are inferior to whites, IQ tests that are thought to be accurate despite contextual/cultural issues) , etc.

This Shirley person is really scary... I might go back to grad school to study what creates fundamentalisms.

[Estayland]

There is nothing wrong with fundamentalism. Shirley and that church are not fundamentalists... they are extremists. I am a fundamentalist Christian. I imagine there are lots of fundamentalist Christians here, but you wouldn't think we were extreme. Fundamentalism is not the same as extremism.

A fundamentalist Christian believes in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, and the only way to heaven is belief in Jesus. They also believe the Bible, in the original manuscripts, is the inerrant word of God. That's it. An extremist Christian is one who twists the Bible and says "God hates bundle of stickss" and thinks we deserved 9/11 for our love of homosexuality or goes and blows up an abortion clinic.

A fundamentalist Christian loves the sinner and hates the sin. We accept the person without accepting the lifestyle. But we do not have to tolerate nor accept anything we believe goes against the Bible. We can love an alcoholic or an unwed pregnant teenager without excusing the behavior.

[TheSensitiveNewAge]

That's the first time I've heard that definition of fundamentalism.

[Iwerddon]

Thats the terms as I understand it. Lately though the term fundamentalist has been misused so often by the media and atheists it's not hard to imagine a majority of people would react negatively to it.

[Chronopolice]

Two words, Adolf Hitler. ;D

[New Dracora]

Dec 11, 2008 10:54:09 GMT -5 Chronopolice said:

Two words, Adolf Hitler. ;D

I do not follow. Elaborate.