SC Resolution: Commend Yelda

[Ananke II]

Commend Yelda
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation
Nominee: Yelda
Proposed by: A mean old man

Description:
There be a sillious soul among us today,
Among us today in the great WA,
Who brightens our day when our day has gone gray,
With proposals and humor and Knootian “gay spray,”

His names be of many of his puppet empire,
Like Yelda or Hiriaurtung or New Leicestershire,
And Mad Sheep and Glog and Aundotutunagir,
With syllables so strange and so marvelous to hear,

Iron Felix was once a prized face of he,
With its rather keen interest in necromancy,
And its massive devotion to the NSUN,
long before the World Assemblian opium den,

Lately we see him with Arororugul,
Assuring that things here will never grow dull,
He also was present with Mad Sheep Railgun,
Keeping things thoughtful yet awfully fun,

He amuseth us greatly with that he creates,
Such as the insertion of popcorn in serious debates,
Our good old friend Yelda will often play the big fool,
Thus helping things from growing too nasty and cruel,

His resolutions be many and proposals be more,
Nineteen have been passed and more are in store,
Clever they are whether helpful they may be,
And some give a great laugh to both you and me,

While silly he can seem and mock he may do,
Great wisdom and insight does sometimes break through,
Analogies and comments on intentions and deeds,
And in enlightening minds he often succeeds,

So come one and come all, witness this spectacular man,
As he entertains the WA however he can,
We dance a jig of jubilant joy,
In honor of a truly hilarious boy,

A pat on the back and a cheer of acclaim,
While we give good old Yelda his moment of fame,
Remembering you since nearly antiquity,
Yelda, the World Assembly hereby does COMMEND thee.

[Bad Infinitum]

Proprosed by: A mean old man

Hmm...

FOR.

[Inquirius]

Poetry? I approve of anything that makes a mockery of C&C's.

FOR

[Kanaia]

AGAINST
Yelda is a puppet of Mad Sheep Rail Gun, a rude, mocking, and often vulgar individual.

[Ananke II]

I voted yes. I like reading his flimsy posts in the GA and SC forums, which often help dissipate some of the tension + he's written some really nice WA resolutions. I'm especially fond of Repeal "Rights of Minorities and Women", because of the specific point of view it's written from.

This post lists some of his work in the WA: forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=1627610#p1627610

Edit: true, he can be mocking at times, but there's usually a good point to his posts.

[Elite]

I'm with Kanaia on this one.

[Anime Daisuki]

My vote is NO.

Yelda has made fun of 10KI more than once in the past. He founded the region '10000 Island' not once, not twice, but three times to make fun of us, with a matching WFE (exactly in our style) to mock our region the first two times. He was moved by the mods twice for doing that, but each time, they did it again after the original region was deleted by the mods.

Go ahead and see it for yourself: (he seems to have learnt his lesson, at least this third incarnation he's not 'copying' our WFE)
www.nationstates.net/region=10000%20island

www.nationstates.net/nation=sc_resolution_5

[Bad Infinitum]

Oh, that was him? Heh... well, I would like to encourage more poetic resolutions, but I guess there'll have to be another way.

Vote retracted.

[Grub (Lenlyvit)]

Ananke, we have done nothing to this person, but this guy has been clearly against the 10000 Islands and against what we stand for. Why would you vote to commend him?

[Elite]

That was my second reason.

[Inquirius]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_spite

I wish you wouldn't use this tool to convince Islanders to vote against. I don't like thinking vengefully when it comes to the WA. If we vote for this, we rise above his silly pranks. That's all he does, by the way. Silly pranks.

[Anime Daisuki]

If we really did wanted revenge we could have declared war against his region, or started a condemnation. We did neither. That does not mean, however, that he deserve our commendation.

[Ananke II]

Mar 31, 2010 20:16:25 GMT -5 Grub (Lenlyvit) said:

Ananke, we have done nothing to this person, but this guy has been clearly against the 10000 Islands and against what we stand for. Why would you vote to commend him?

I already posted why I voted yes. I like his posts and funny SC resolutions. I really couldn't care less about him making fun of us. Once in a while we do take ourselves a bit too seriously so I don't see any problem with someone poking a bit fun of us. It's probably healthy.

Yelda is one of those people I don't mind getting a commendation, both for what he's done and who he is.

[Anime Daisuki]

If he did it one time, you can put it down to mischief. But when Yelda does it the second, and third time even after Mod warnings. Then I don't think its just fun. There must be something there.

Maybe its just me, but when you do something "fun" for yourself at the expense of another region, then its not right. This is the reason why I think invading is wrong. Its similar, invaders like to say, "hey, I kicked them out and changed their WFE, ...its just for fun!"

[Wordy]

I am voting against. It's not ok to continue to mock us. This just gives him leave to do as he wishes and continue. We do rise above it by not taking any action to against him. I wont commend him though.
When you have fun at the expense of others it is not ok.

[Markanite]

Against , I agree with wordy and anime

[Guy]

Please join me in abstaining. While Yelda has certinaly poked fun at us, I would have let it go after the first time. However, it doesn't really warrent a NO vote, because if not for 10000 Island it is worthy of a commendation.

[Unibot]

Poppycock, Yelda was just having some fun with the end line of your commendation because of its huge blunder, the commendation could have been anything and he would of still made fun of it -- it wasn't a personal attack on 10000 islands (or even 10000 island for that matter. )

You're making a playful jokester out to be something he isn't. Try again. Yelda's been one of my biggest inspirations along with Kenny (though they'd never want to admit it), to do what I do in the WA (and that is.. err... WA stuff).

[Bad Infinitum]

Prankster or no, I still think it sends a negative message if we support this sort of behavior. The problem with dealing with people like this is that whether we support them or vehemently oppose them, they will continue to behave the way they do. The best thing is to ignore it.

That said, I don't think we should vote FOR a commendation. Not saying that we should vote for a condemnation, but supporting this sort of activity doesn't really shine us in the light that we like to bask in.

[Elite]

If Yelda made fun of us once, I would probably vote for, but if Yelda made fun of us THREE times, I would have to vote AGAINST.

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

I will leave it up to the Ananke.

[Unibot]

Apr 1, 2010 19:51:11 GMT -5 Bad Infinitum said:

Prankster or no, I still think it sends a negative message if we support this sort of behavior. The problem with dealing with people like this is that whether we support them or vehemently oppose them, they will continue to behave the way they do. The best thing is to ignore it.

That said, I don't think we should vote FOR a commendation. Not saying that we should vote for a condemnation, but supporting this sort of activity doesn't really shine us in the light that we like to bask in.

Err?

By voting FOR, you're tolerating, and in fact COMMENDING a fellow who is quite critical of WA resolutions for the sake of quality. His poking fun at the commendation of 10000 islands was not a jab at 10k itself, but at the blunders of the resolution. Yelda is a big supporter of quality in resolutions, thats why he is being commended by AMOM, another zealous promoter of quality.. in fact, the old fart never shuts up about 'quality'.

So by that argument, you're promoting the idea that critics of resolutions (however satirical, humorous or silly their modes of criticism may be) should not be commended for their views, when their criticism gets in the way of 'progress' ?

[Hockeynutville]

Hmmm, I knew a Yelda once. She was a bit of a b****.

[A Mean Old Man]

Good morning, 10kI. Hope you don't mind my butting in here, but I think a few things need to be said where the voters here can see them.

This is a post I made in the official NSWA forums that I believe I should bring here, as it concerns your votes and a member of your region.

Some of you might find this insulting. If this is the case, I apologize; I speak my mind, nothing more, nothing less. What's on my mind might not always be what people want to hear, but I believe they need to hear it anyway.

So maybe this will change your mind and maybe it won't, but I do hope it makes you think a little differently.

Oh, and the "she" is Anime Daisuke. I recently heard Anime Daisuke being called "he." Maybe the flag was deceiving me. Either way, it's in regards to him.


<<<Ah - there she is. Dumping on Yelda this time, I see.

She does it in her usual underhanded fashion, as well: a load of pro-10kI propaganda about his apparently dastardly crimes against 10000 Islands, with the hidden intention of moving people under her own will and her own opinions. It's just like how she accused me of being a "pro-invader mouthpiece" and of vouching for the repeal of Commend 10000 Islands. The first is a dastardly fabrication meant to destroy my image among the populace of 10kI, and the second is an incredible exaggeration, if not an outright lie, as I never posted in the repeal's thread at all nor said much on it. If she's thinking of my early days here in these forums when I vouched for the prohibition of R/D in C&Cs (inspired by the horrible chaos that followed the commendation and repeal of 10kI), she's ignoring the fact that I have long since dropped that idea and have actually gone the other way. I was and still am happy, however, that the original commendation was repealed; it was utter shit, an insult to the values regarding quality I believe must be installed in the WA. However, I have been sure to help with and support the next commendation of 10kI - though I wouldn't expect her to mention that or anything else in the 10kI forums when bringing my reputation down there is her ultimate goal.

My vote is NO.

Yelda has made fun of 10KI more than once in the past. He founded the region '10000 Island' not once, not twice, but three times to make fun of us, with a matching WFE (exactly in our style) to mock our region the first two times. He was moved by the mods twice for doing that, but each time, they did it again after the original region was deleted by the mods.

Go ahead and see it for yourself: (he seems to have learnt his lesson, at least this third incarnation he's not 'copying' our WFE)
www.nationstates.net/region=10000%20island

…oh, and way to go, Anime Daisuke; that’s Omigodtheykilledkenny’s region.

www.nationstates.net/nation=sc_resolution_5

How terribly low. Yelda mocks things in good spirit, not with the intent of damaging them. I, frankly, can’t help but suspect that this might simply be an attack on me, as revenge for a crime against 10kI (or is it just Anime Daisuke that I have somehow wronged?), the nature of which I am still attempting to understand.

Anime Daisuke, if you have some sort of problem with me or with the person I am commending, why not tell me here, to my face, and not hide behind fabrications in the "privacy" of the 10kI forums? What makes you feel the need to be so incredibly serious about your region and hide your personal opinions behind rants about peoples’ crimes against all of 10000 Islands?

If he did it one time, you can put it down to mischief. But when Yelda does it the second, and third time even after Mod warnings. Then I don't think its just fun. There must be something there.

Maybe its just me, but when you do something "fun" for yourself at the expense of another region, then its not right. This is the reason why I think invading is wrong. Its similar, invaders like to say, "hey, I kicked them out and changed their WFE, ...its just for fun!"

“At the expense of another region?” What expense? Did it lose your region members? Destroy their reputation as a defender organization? Please, elaborate; I’d really like to know how you think Yelda’s silliness has brought 10kI down.

Ah, and she brings him down to the level of invaders, the most hated image in 10kI. Yet another dirty trick played through propaganda.

Anime Daisuke, if you’re going to trash talk me (or anyone, for that matter) in order to damage their reputation among a large amount of people who control hundreds of WA votes, I’d prefer you do it here as well, and stop hiding behind your shrubbery propaganda. If you’ve got any reason to vote for or against something for anything besides a grudge you hold against the person who wrote it or against the person it commends or condemns, I’d be interested in hearing it. Otherwise, trash talk us to our face, where we can respond. The people of 10kI might be fooled by you out of patriotism, but you’re transparent as glass to me.

And as for this being voted down? Pah.

I had this commendation and the way in which I would carry it out on my mind for a while, and after being accused of being some humorless killjoy, I couldn’t stop myself from bringing it here. Like my First Tort Reform Act, it was an attempt at something new, fresh, and different for the WA to explore, enjoy, and possibly carry on to a greater degree in the future.

However, like the FTRA, it was put down by the ignorance of the masses and the lies and petty excuses of the negative. I don’t understand it; the WA is obviously loaded with liberal hippies who pass their lovey-dovey Human Rights, Social Justice, and Furtherment of Democracy resolutions left and right, however when I’ve tried to get them to think in a different way they back off and get confused, then vote it down.

I still had hope after the FTRA, but this just drops my confidence down yet another level. Fine, World Assembly – if you want boring, you can have your f**king boring. I suppose the World Assembly really is “humorless.” Don’t worry; I won’t ever try to bring humor into its halls again. From now on, the WA will have only one side of me – you’ve all seen my capacity for coldness, harshness, bluntness, and dullness. Well, that’s all the WA will have from me for now on; no more funny business. I had a hilarious post ready for this to continue the roleplay that Yelda was trying to incinuate that would certainly have brought about all sorts of hilarity, but I doubt that's what the majority of the World Assembly would want me to do. No need for anything fun here; it's not like NationStates is a game.

With all of 115 approvals, I hardly expected this to fail. The current turnout is a nasty surprise for me, however also a convenient eye-opener. I now see what you want, World Assembly. Congratulations; you’ll get it from me.>>>

[A Mean Old Man]

I also see I am allowed to vote in this poll - though, as I am not actually a member of 10000 Islands' organization or region, I don't think I should...

[Anime Daisuki]

I was going to post a long reply, but on second thought, I don't think your trolling me here deserves a response.

[A Mean Old Man]

Apr 2, 2010 11:41:35 GMT -5 Anime Daisuki said:

I was going to post a long reply, but on second thought, I don't think your trolling me here deserves a response.

Oh, isn't that cute. So you can trash talk me and anyone else as much as you like, but when I start to defend myself, I'm the big bad guy. Alright, play that card. I've said what I needed to say, and you've given me a response that, frankly, supports my claims.

[Anime Daisuki]

As much as you like to think the world about yourself, this is not about you, A Mean Old Man. My posts did not mention you at all.