Taxes Immigration

[Snowwolfe]

The idea I had for One of the reasons Why United States has a problem with illegal Immigrants Would be to Raise The Consumption Taxes For everything While also Lowering the Peoples Personal Income Tax... This Works Because Some Stats Show That 4% of the People in the united states are there illegalaly and are not paying taxes... By Raising the consumption tax you Gaurentee you get taxes from any one who buys anything in your country That includes the 4% of the current People who do not pay there income Tax... It also Adds another Increased Revenue by any one who is Vacationing In the country would also be paying a tax... By Lowering The Income Tax It allows the people who were allready paying There income Tax To be cushioned into the New Raise of the income Tax... I would Also Increase Tax on the Higher Income People And Lower the Tax on lower income People... That would Help People below the poverty Line Grow into a higer Grade of Life Style... More Money Means More spending which Would Also stimulate the economy.. Taxing the Rich Allows a Higher amount of Income brought in due to sheer Numbers of dollars High Income Families Make...


Any input any one???

[McMulliness]

One of my biggest issues has always been taxing the rich more. I dont really know why, due to my lack of having a lot of money, but at the same time... Why punish someone for being well off? If you have just a set taxing system, it is fair for all, which is something that most people are arguing (fairness).

I would also think that if you raise consumption tax's the overall percentage of tax's being paid would go up. I know that I buy more things that are taxed on than I am currently taxed on for my income. I see what you are saying, and in a better world, it might work but I feel hard-pressed to think that only by raising taxes would you get rid of illegal immigration. You also have to think of the low income people. Raising taxes on things that they buy and lowering income tax is actually going to hurt them more than anything.

Another reason why I think having different levels of taxes on people who make more is kinda stupid is because I know of many people (my parents being some) that decide it is cheaper to quit a job and stay in a lower income bracket due to the level of taxes than it is to work as hard as they can to make the most money they can. It seems to me that because people dont want to to move up too much in income due to the taxes, you are actually stunting the growth and intuitiveness of the nation.

That is just one thought though.

[ashterotopia]

Might I remind you That the whole contienient was Built On Imigration If your anything but not aboriginal Indian your ancestors were immigrants from another country... One of the Main problems with illegal immigration Is that they are enjoying our semi protection of our Systems Yet are doing nothing to contribute to the country back Ex.. Taxes By Increasing the consumption Tax would work because those illegal Immigrants Have to buy a product of some sort or other service while living in your country. Icreasing The consumption tax would insure Every one Pays a precentage Of Gaurenteed to the goverment.. At the Same Time Calculating what would be the precentage of income Tax to decrease to Make up for the Raised Consumption Tax. That way the People who are allready Paying Income Tax are not effected income wise...

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

Read up on the Fair Tax.



www.fairtax.org

[McMulliness]

May 1, 2010 22:21:25 GMT -5 @ashterotopia said:

Might I remind you That the whole contienient was Built On Imigration If your anything but not aboriginal Indian your ancestors were immigrants from another country... One of the Main problems with illegal immigration Is that they are enjoying our semi protection of our Systems Yet are doing nothing to contribute to the country back Ex.. Taxes By Increasing the consumption Tax would work because those illegal Immigrants Have to buy a product of some sort or other service while living in your country. Icreasing The consumption tax would insure Every one Pays a precentage Of Gaurenteed to the goverment.. At the Same Time Calculating what would be the precentage of income Tax to decrease to Make up for the Raised Consumption Tax. That way the People who are allready Paying Income Tax are not effected income wise...

Yea.. everyone was an immigrant and you can even get nit picky enough to say that everyone was an "illegal immigrant" because of how the colonists treated the native americans. I think the biggest difference though is that these new age illegal immigrants are doing what we have been told is very wrong to our country. America has had to pay a debt to those native americans for what they had done to them, but when is it going to be that we get our "repayment" from these immigrants?

Daily, illegal people go to school for free or next to nothing on taxpayers money. Even though we all could be considered illegal immigrants, that still doesn't make it right for it to happen.

[Estayland]

Changing the tax system isnt going to do anything to help with immigration. Plus, a consumption-based system isn't any better than an income-based system.

[ashterotopia]

May 2, 2010 0:40:10 GMT -5 McMulliness said:

May 1, 2010 22:21:25 GMT -5 @ashterotopia said:

Daily, illegal people go to school for free or next to nothing on taxpayers money. Even though we all could be considered illegal immigrants, that still doesn't make it right for it to happen.

But How would not a consumption Tax Increase Plus a Decrease In income tax not work... Currently those Illegal Immigrants are only paying a form of Tax from the current Consumption Tax but no Income Tax. Like i pointed out Before One of the main problems is that they are enjoying our system for little to nothing. I Feel that is wrong as why should they not Pay income Tax and Still get to enjoy alot of our government tax money through various outlets.

I agree with what i read On the Fair tax Website. as it would work it points out:

The Fair Taxx:

Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks
Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions
Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities
Allows American products to compete fairly
Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
Abolishes the IRS

www.fairtax.org

Thx for the Link

But How this would Help with Illegal Immigration is that it doesn't stop them from entering the country because that would be a very expensive budget to fully build a great Wall of America Around the whole border. Meh China Did it And it worked for them thou right But how it works is that It Taxes the Illegal immigrants while they are on the soil of the country as They are guaranteed to Buy anything even if that was a snickers bar or a bottle of water,

The Example which the Fair Tax Site Gives which Ive found is:

Let’s use an example to illustrate the difference between tax-inclusive and tax-exclusive tax rates.

Assume there is a worker named Joe who earns $125 and spends all of his earnings. Let’s further assume that the government requires him to pay $25 in taxes.

If the government put a tax on Joe’s income, he would earn $125 before tax and would have $100 after tax to spend at the General Store. Thus, Joe has to earn $125 to have $100 to spend. Joe would also have to file an income tax return.

If the government put a tax on what Joe spends, he would earn $125 and would have $125 to spend at the store. Of the $125 paid by Joe to the storekeeper, $100 would be for the goods he bought at the store and $25 would be taxes that the storekeeper would send to the government. Joe would not have to file a tax return, as the storekeeper sends the tax in to the government.

Either way, Joe pays $25 in taxes and the government gets $25 in taxes. With a tax on income, Joe pays the $25 directly to the government, and with the tax on spending (sales tax), he pays the $25 in taxes indirectly when he buys something from the General Store. The General Store sends the tax that Joe paid to the government.

We may report the tax rate as $25/$125 = 20 percent, which is the tax-inclusive rate (meaning that the tax is included in the base). Alternately, we may think of the tax rate as $25/$100 = 25 percent, which is the tax-exclusive rate (meaning the tax is excluded from the base). The 23 percent Fair Tax rate set out in HR 25/S 1025 is a tax-inclusive rate, as is the current personal income tax, whereas most state-level sales taxes are quoted on a tax-exclusive basis. For ease of comparison, Fair Tax.org gives the tax rate both ways. Both rates are relevant, since the FairTax is replacing an income tax system, and 23 percent correctly represents the tax burden compared to the current system.


The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people.

The United Nations World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) Reported 58.0 million Came to the United States in 2008 according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings

That would Be a total of 69 million New Tax Payers...

The Example given on wikipedia in section 1.4 for Income tax for year 2009:

Single taxpayer, no children, under 65 and not blind taking standard deduction;
$40,000 gross income - $5,700 standard deduction - $3,650 personal exemption = $30,650 taxable income
$8,350 × 10% = $835.00
($30,650 - $8,350) = $22,300.00 x 15% = $3,345.00
Total income tax is $835.00 + $3,345.00 = $4180.00 (10.45% effective tax)
Note that in addition to income tax, a wage earner would also have to pay FICA (payroll) tax (and an equal amount of FICA tax must be paid by the employer):
$40,000 (adjusted gross income)
$40,000 × 6.2% = $2,480 (Social Security portion)
$40,000 × 1.45% = $580 (Medicare portion)
Total FICA tax = $3,060 (7.65% of income)
Total federal tax of individual = $7,190.00 (17.98% of income)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#Year_2009_income_brackets_and_tax_rates

Now with Using The Idea Fair Tax States having a consumption tax of 23% instead of a income tax Using the example of a Single taxpayer, no children, under 65 and not blind taking standard deduction;$40,000 gross income as a Average income for the American individual person The Amount The amount of Taxes would be generated as person per year would be $9,000.00

If Sales Income Tax Takes off $3150 a year now As Given Statistics by

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States#cite_note-corptax-8

And

www.taxfoundation.org/files/corporate_income_taxes_cost_families-20080818.pdf

Yes you would be Paying More Per Year on that by $1810 But would Save $1340 a year as the existing average income tax of 7,190.00 would changed over to a retail tax for every one of $9,000
(9,000-7,190= 1810) - 3150 (Existing Retail tax as it would be absorbed back to you) is a savings of $1350 to you


69 million Brought into the Tax Market using the example of a income of (Single taxpayer, no children, under 65 and not blind taking standard deduction;
$40,000 gross income) Even thou due to a high Volume Of Labor Breaking Laws Illegal immigrants don't get paid that much as its all under the Table Pay and Probably not very fair. But Still using it as an example because Ive done the Math for it already . But If 69 million New People ( 11 million Illegal Immigrants + 58 million tourists per year)Started Paying $9,000 a year on taxes. Right there that is 621 Billion Dollars into the system When the existing System Brings in a generated income of $672,502,091 Of Declared income Tax With a grand Total of $620,327,497,909 Billion Dollars.

That also Isn't Including the People who don't Claim Taxes Who Still have to Buy things in the country. 620 Billion Dollars Extra into the economy of united states would be Great And thats just including Tourists and Illegal Immigrants.

[Estayland]

The Fair Tax is not what it promises to be. When I get more time, I will start a new thread to blow away your claims. I am a CPA and have read the FairTax book.

[ashterotopia]

I have not Used all my ideas from the fair tax site lol alot of my numbers come from personal Goverment budgets and only using the Fair tax 23% as a number to use to run numbers and Math checked my numbers first before coming out with my findings to check if they were correctt All other digits were Brought in Various offical organizations to get correct numbers