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Post by Anime Daisuki on May 5, 2010 1:13:07 GMT -5
In view of the Times Square bomber incident, what do you think about the level of homeland security we have today? Better since 9/11? Just as bad? Or worse?
The million dollar question is what if he succeeded? Would that be the end of Obama's presidency and the Democratic Congress?
It's not better or worse IMO. The fact is that you can't stop an extremist.
All of the materials in the bomob were bought at a hardware store. It was an elementary device that would have required little or no training to put together.
I see no effective medium for doing this. One person can get it into their head to perform an act of extremism and the chances of finding that person before they commission their crime is slim to say the least.
I wouldn't have held the government responsible if it had detonated. The individual appears to be a citizen. Unless people want to get into racial and religious profiling, good luck stopping this type of thing.
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Agreed. The only way to stop this kind of thing would be to outlaw propane tanks, fertilizer, gasoline, and pretty much anything that can go boom. The day the government does something like that is the day I'm emigrating.
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In view of the Times Square bomber incident, what do you think about the level of homeland security we have today? Better since 9/11? Just as bad? Or worse?
If he had succeeded, people would have said homeland security failed us. Had he failed, which he did, people are lauding our homeland security. Honestly, homeland security had nothing to do with this guy. His own incompetence and the good police work of the NYPD and FBI led to his capture.
Agreed. The only way to stop this kind of thing would be to outlaw propane tanks, fertilizer, gasoline, and pretty much anything that can go boom. The day the government does something like that is the day I'm emigrating.
Even then, they'd still find ways to make bombs. There's no stopping an extremist
Screw Homeland Security. It's just another bureaucratic organization that does the same job as the other 8 bureaucratic organizations which were designed to protect the country.
IMHO, Homeland Security is just a front to deny American's their rights.
Post by The Theban Legion on May 10, 2010 21:25:14 GMT -5
I would have to agree with Cerb it hasnt gotten any better or worse. And Klington what exactly is the core purpose of the government but to protect its borders. Stopping terrorism is covered under that purpose so its one of the few bureaucracies I can tolerate. Though I dont think umbrellaing all the little bureaucracies together has made it efficient but it has helped to guarantee a certain amount of the budget to it. Thanks Patriot Act.
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Uhhh, Klington, I am assuming you know that homeland security is the one that pays and trains TSA at the airports. Let me ask you. Would you prefer they weren't there so we could just let the bomber get on the plain with you and kill you? I mean, personally if I knew it would ensure I would live on a flight I would carry my fat ugly ass through the xray buck naked. I like living, I like those I care about living. Any security they can give me is welcomed and if I have to give up a couple inconveniences in order to have that security, then so be it.
I would have to agree with Cerb it hasnt gotten any better or worse. And Klington what exactly is the core purpose of the government but to protect its borders. Stopping terrorism is covered under that purpose so its one of the few bureaucracies I can tolerate. Though I dont think umbrellaing all the little bureaucracies together has made it efficient but it has helped to guarantee a certain amount of the budget to it. Thanks Patriot Act.
The Core Purpose of the Government is to protect it's citizens. But, it is nothing more than a balancing act.
If they protect us too much, they also deny us. If they protect us too little, they also deny us. A la John Locke, really the government needs to guarantee the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of property. Homeland Security is just another bureaucracy that can say "DON'T DO THIS." Sounds unnecessary to me.
Post by Greek People Nation (GPN) on May 24, 2010 22:58:26 GMT -5
I think it is weaken since there is an Idiot in charge of it. They new about the guy and still did nothing about it. Luckily he was and dumb ass and the bomb didn't go off.
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Post by Silvermain on May 25, 2010 22:23:06 GMT -5
I can't say whether Homeland Security has gotten better or worse at it's job since September 11th... but it's definitely using more money.
I'm going to have to agree with Cerb, this dude wasn't the government's fault. If a guy setting off a bomb in a public area could end Obama's presidency, I'm sure many more people would've tried it recently.
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FBI is part of Homeland Security, haven't you heard?
The good thing is that the bomb didn't go BOOM. The government guys did catch Faisal Shazad, but only after someone rechecked the "no-fly" list. If the bombs had actually worked like he thought it would, then lots of people would have been killed. And the FBI or NYPD would be too late. I have no freakin' clue how Shazad was able to get those explosives legally. I guess this sorta intrudes on the civilian-use-of-guns debate.
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FBI is part of Homeland Security, haven't you heard?
The good thing is that the bomb didn't go BOOM. The government guys did catch Faisal Shazad, but only after someone rechecked the "no-fly" list. If the bombs had actually worked like he thought it would, then lots of people would have been killed. And the FBI or NYPD would be too late. I have no freakin' clue how Shazad was able to get those explosives legally. I guess this sorta intrudes on the civilian-use-of-guns debate.
A: No one rechecked the no-fly-list, the plane was stopped by law enforcement as it was taxiing toward the runway to leave. B: The FBI and NYPD might have actually caught him faster. C: This bomb was made up of easily accessible materials like propane and fertilizer, which all have mundane uses. There is little the government can do to stop that.
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Actually, the plane was only stopped when an airport employee looked at the newly-updated list and found Faisal Shazad on it. He immediately went aboard the plane and pulled Shazad out, then detained him until the FBI arrived.
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No doubt. However, the consistency between all of these stories that I heard on different networks over a fairly long period of time kind of lends credibility to what they were saying. However, it really is a meaningless point.
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