Growing Support of Nazism

[The Theban Legion]

So who thinks we should act against the growing spread of the nazi ideology? And if you think we should do something what do you think we should do?

[Cerb]

I don't think it's isolated to just that group. It's a growing resurgence in extremist thinking.

It's a simple equation. A depressed economy has increased poverty. Increased poverty causes socialist and Marxist / Leninist philosophies to seem more sensible and acceptable.

It's just a different philosophy. The National Socialists blame a particular racial group for their poverty and Marxist / Leninists just blame the rich.

How to fix it? On an indivudual basis, not easily.

It requires jobs and a healthy economy to give people less reason to feel that an extremist philosophy is the answer to their problems.


The only other way (that I'm aware of) is a situation that give people to rally around and focus on. In the 1930s, that was a world war.



My hope is that the economy improves because if it doesn't, we're likely to end up with another civil war, or global war.

[Klington]

wooooo civil war

[New Augustgrad]

May 14, 2010 12:07:17 GMT -5 Cerb said:

My hope is that the economy improves because if it doesn't, we're likely to end up with another civil war, or global war.

God willing it won't come to either.

I think Cerb is right about it being extremism in general. One of our biggest problems is we're so busy trying to fix the world's problems that we're either half-assing our own resolutions (please forgive the language), or we're letting our own problems go unresolved altogether. America needs to get its own problems, particularly its fiscal problems, in order at home first before actively taking them on abroad. We need to adopt more of an isolationist view until our situation at home improves, then we can go back to the whole Team America: World Police thing. I have a feeling that once the economy improves and once employment is reasonably on the rise and sustainable, this extremist thinking will become a passing fad, or at least be seen for how asinine it is.

[Estayland]

It's unfortunate that socialist groups are getting more traction.

Here's a video from 1948 that still holds true about socialism/Marxism. Make mine freedom.

[The Theban Legion]

I was pointing to a rise of ingame nazism as well. What should we do about that?

[New Augustgrad]

I'm a big believer in sovreignty. If we don't wish to support the Nazi ideology in-game, why should we have to dignify it with acknowledgement, even if that acknowledgement is negative? Ultimately if this region decides to take some sort of action against the support of Nazism I will remain loyal to whatever course 10KI chooses. As it stands now, though, I'm of the opinion of just letting it be. While the support seems to be on the rise, I get the impression the resitance to Nazism is still substantially stronger. Unless that changes, I'm inclined to think this new "fad" if you will is probably going to die of natural causes.

[Anime Daisuki]

I think teachers need to do better. The media need to do better.

[Bad Infinitum]

www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black---glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

[Cerb]

I was intrigued to learn that the MSA is organizing a lot of the Nazi events on college campus.

Have a watch of this:
www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/11/for-it-msa-student-confesses-she-wants-a-second-holocaust/

[Dragon Heirs]

May 14, 2010 19:17:56 GMT -5 Cerb said:

I was intrigued to learn that the MSA is organizing a lot of the Nazi events on college campus.

Have a watch of this:
www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/11/for-it-msa-student-confesses-she-wants-a-second-holocaust/

You didn't know that there are some strong anti-semitic veins in Muslisms? There are notable exceptions in history where the two have coexisted peacefully, such as the time around Islam's conception and the period where Muslims ruled Spain. But really I think most of it stemmed from generic dislike of non-believers and some western anti-semitic influence. It really started to turn ugly with Nazi Germany, WW2, and the aftermath. It also doesn't help that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all claim Jerusalem as an extremely important place for their religions.

Oh, and I <3 Lewis Black.

[SovietPrussia]

Just remember most in-game OOC Nazis are laughable. One I came across about a year ago respects Hitler's economic policies (despite it being a Kleptocratic mess under which living standards level returned to pre-depression levels), thinks he was an intelligent man (despite losing), said "I'm a pacifist but I want Barack Obama to be assassinated" (lolwut?), and that he's an expansionist, but then insisted he's not a Nazi.

As for in-character Nazis, well provided they're a good roleplayer who gives the ideology a nation-specific twist making it interesting and imaginative, and as long as it's not a "hey look at me! I'm a Nazi!" roleplay, I'd be happy to take part in their RPs. Actually... forget I said anything about in character stuff. Sovietprussia is essentially a "hey look at me! I'm a Communist!" nation.

[Guy]

Nazism is not just another political ideology, it's hate. Nazism = hate. If you're a Nazi, pretend to be a Nazi, or just say it's OK, you deserve to endure the most painful death.

[Cerb]

I am quite aware of anti-semetic feelings in the Muslim world. I've actually had jews and muslims work together in my office and the tension is palpable.

I guess my astonishment is that:
1. Colleges are willing to host this type of event.
2. That a muslim would be willing to involve themselves when they don't exactly meet the requirements of an arian nation.

Surely they must realise that they are being used as a tool?

I guess my final point is that we can harbor this type of hate and tolerate under the description of free speech.

Saying you want to round up and eleiminate a nation can't just be free speech. It has to be illegal somehow.

[Dragon Heirs]

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
-Voltaire

[Cerb]

Agreeing with a persons right to speech, is not the same as allowing someone to state that they want to round up and kill all the jews.

If it's not a threat, it's as close as you can get.

[Dragon Heirs]

May 15, 2010 19:17:25 GMT -5 Cerb said:

Agreeing with a persons right to speech, is not the same as allowing someone to state that they want to round up and kill all the jews.

If it's not a threat, it's as close as you can get.

So threats are to be treated as crimes now?

[Cerb]

I hope so.

[New Augustgrad]

May 16, 2010 1:29:10 GMT -5 Dragon Heirs said:

May 15, 2010 19:17:25 GMT -5 Cerb said:

Agreeing with a persons right to speech, is not the same as allowing someone to state that they want to round up and kill all the jews.

If it's not a threat, it's as close as you can get.

So threats are to be treated as crimes now?

There's a big difference between threatening to harm a single person and threatening to commit genocide.

[Cerb]

If someone says they want to round up all of my family and kill them, then I'm calling the cops.

I'm certainly not going to use my state taxes to help with their education and provide them a visa to be here.

Stating that you support terrorists and genocide should be a crime.

If it's not then every free citizen of this great land should stand up and with equal passion decry such commentary. They should condem these people as evil and demand that the threat be removed from our country (for non-citizens who are here at our invitation).

If we don't condemn them, we support them. If we do not stand against extremists, we are giving them the signal that it's okay to spread hatred and the desire for murder.

Freedom of speech should meet freedom of speech. Sitting quietly back isn't an option.

[Silvermain]

May 15, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -5 Guy said:

Nazism is not just another political ideology, it's hate. Nazism = hate. If you're a Nazi, pretend to be a Nazi, or just say it's OK, you deserve to endure the most painful death.

The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is just a political party. My grandmother was born with a swastika on her birth certificate and parents who followed their fuhrer, but that dosn't mean they "deserve to endure the most painful death".

I agree that it is not at all pretty when people are racist or sexist or any type of -ist, and antisemitism disgusts me. But people thinking and saying what they want is perfectly legal.

Also, I'd like to point out that you wanting Nazis to die in a painful way is no different from what they're saying.

All of that being said, speak out against this Neo Nazi movement if you think it's right. I know I'll be teaching my children that this group of people is absolutely wrong.

[Cresthallow]

Scholars debate roughly 6 million Jewish were executed.

On top of that, another six million lives were executed for being undesirables, such as educated men, or people whom helped the Jews.

[Guy]

May 24, 2010 2:11:41 GMT -5 Silvermain said:

May 15, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -5 Guy said:

Nazism is not just another political ideology, it's hate. Nazism = hate. If you're a Nazi, pretend to be a Nazi, or just say it's OK, you deserve to endure the most painful death.

Also, I'd like to point out that you wanting Nazis to die in a painful way is no different from what they're saying.

One of the only cases in which I believe in "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth."

The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is just a political party. My grandmother was born with a swastika on her birth certificate and parents who followed their fuhrer, but that dosn't mean they "deserve to endure the most painful death".

It was a political party, which also killed 6 million people in the most horrific way. You can rebut that by saying that "Not everyone knew." I give them the benefit of the doubt. However, anyone who says he is a Nazi today, also says "I support genocide." It was one of the most important concepts in Nazism.

I agree that it is not at all pretty when people are racist or sexist or any type of -ist, and antisemitism disgusts me. But people thinking and saying what they want is perfectly legal.

Unfortunately so.