Post by Grub (Lenlyvit) on Dec 11, 2004 4:13:46 GMT -5
This was posted on the about to be occupied message board of The DEN. It was quickly shot down by some, but the offer still stands.
"Hello,
In the upcoming minutes or hours, we will take The DEN. This will be the third DEN that has fallen and I can bet it doesn't feel good. I would be angry if I were in The DEN. I'd be so angry that I'd want to take back my region because no outsider has the right to tell me what to do in my homeland. Yet, this is how you make other regions feel when you attack them. The DEN had every reason to be attacked, but can you say the same of your victims?
Now is the time to stop hurting innocent regions and go on a better path. The game of NationStates is not around to train you how to bother and bully people. When invaders invade, it hurts people and bothers them. I know this is just a game, but it still is tough to lose the region you are in. Almost losing the 10000 Islands is how TITO really got going. We were attacked before Founders were the norm and we just had a total of 15 nations. With outside help, we barely defeated the attackers. The region that attacked us way back then is now a state of the 10000 Islands (Empire of Power.)
To the members of The DEN. While I should know better, it's time to lay down your arms. Unfortunately, you have been defeated. You can start a new region and pretend like it's going to be different this time, but it is not. Now is the time to realize that bullying others for your pleasure is not the way to be. It's not something you'd like to have happen to you, so why do it to others? Deep down I am sure most invaders are not bad guys and girls, but what you do, even in game form, is hurtful and bad. I ask you to turn from your ways now.
I propose a new system so that invaders can still raid, yet not bother and bully innocent bystanders. I think the leaders of The DEN, Invaders and whatever other long standing active invaders should get together and form a new system. The three (or so, and sorry because some invaders groups were left out) invader leaders would create 100 regions all starting with a number (if you wanted.) So, the first region would be 1 Anti Grubville, 2 Invaders, 3 The Real DEN, 4 whatever, etc. The names can be whatever you want. Now, the three Invader leaders would then get together and turn on the Delegate powers and promise to never use their Founder powers for defense in those 100 regions. From there, the invaders could band together and have a set aside group of real regions where you'd have to really use your skills to beat other invaders and I am sure some defenders as well. The end result would be ongoing battles on a nightly basis, yet, you wouldn't be hurting innocent regions along the way. There would also be a scoring system along the way so that all groups could see an ongoing count of who is the best and the worst. If one of the 100 regions got taken over and some people moved in and didn't like it, tough, because the 100 regions are all fair game.
If you wanted, I could actually help you in the creation of this system if you desired. My goal, though, is to end the assaults on innocent regions. They don't want to be part of your game, so don't include them. If you got a complex, yet maintainable system with active nations, you could still have all the fun of raiding and the tactics involved in that, yet you wouldn't have place have innocent regions in the way.
Thanks for reading this whole thing. For the invader leaders, if my ideas seem workable, I would be willing to help you in its creation if you wanted. Write me and let's go from there. Losing your own region is no fun, so let's end that practice for innocent regions and make a new system.
Grub"
"Hello,
In the upcoming minutes or hours, we will take The DEN. This will be the third DEN that has fallen and I can bet it doesn't feel good. I would be angry if I were in The DEN. I'd be so angry that I'd want to take back my region because no outsider has the right to tell me what to do in my homeland. Yet, this is how you make other regions feel when you attack them. The DEN had every reason to be attacked, but can you say the same of your victims?
Now is the time to stop hurting innocent regions and go on a better path. The game of NationStates is not around to train you how to bother and bully people. When invaders invade, it hurts people and bothers them. I know this is just a game, but it still is tough to lose the region you are in. Almost losing the 10000 Islands is how TITO really got going. We were attacked before Founders were the norm and we just had a total of 15 nations. With outside help, we barely defeated the attackers. The region that attacked us way back then is now a state of the 10000 Islands (Empire of Power.)
To the members of The DEN. While I should know better, it's time to lay down your arms. Unfortunately, you have been defeated. You can start a new region and pretend like it's going to be different this time, but it is not. Now is the time to realize that bullying others for your pleasure is not the way to be. It's not something you'd like to have happen to you, so why do it to others? Deep down I am sure most invaders are not bad guys and girls, but what you do, even in game form, is hurtful and bad. I ask you to turn from your ways now.
I propose a new system so that invaders can still raid, yet not bother and bully innocent bystanders. I think the leaders of The DEN, Invaders and whatever other long standing active invaders should get together and form a new system. The three (or so, and sorry because some invaders groups were left out) invader leaders would create 100 regions all starting with a number (if you wanted.) So, the first region would be 1 Anti Grubville, 2 Invaders, 3 The Real DEN, 4 whatever, etc. The names can be whatever you want. Now, the three Invader leaders would then get together and turn on the Delegate powers and promise to never use their Founder powers for defense in those 100 regions. From there, the invaders could band together and have a set aside group of real regions where you'd have to really use your skills to beat other invaders and I am sure some defenders as well. The end result would be ongoing battles on a nightly basis, yet, you wouldn't be hurting innocent regions along the way. There would also be a scoring system along the way so that all groups could see an ongoing count of who is the best and the worst. If one of the 100 regions got taken over and some people moved in and didn't like it, tough, because the 100 regions are all fair game.
If you wanted, I could actually help you in the creation of this system if you desired. My goal, though, is to end the assaults on innocent regions. They don't want to be part of your game, so don't include them. If you got a complex, yet maintainable system with active nations, you could still have all the fun of raiding and the tactics involved in that, yet you wouldn't have place have innocent regions in the way.
Thanks for reading this whole thing. For the invader leaders, if my ideas seem workable, I would be willing to help you in its creation if you wanted. Write me and let's go from there. Losing your own region is no fun, so let's end that practice for innocent regions and make a new system.
Grub"
. Alternatives are the best deterrents.
