Two matters of WA affairs to bring up

[Topid]

Hello! These topics are why I joined your forum.

First, my next goal in the SC is to repeal Condemn Nazi Europe. This is widely accepted as the biggest mockery of a WA resolution written by none other than yours truly in my early WA days (my second day, to be exact ). I know 10kI opposed previous repeal attempts, which I don't really understand, as almost every major region has gone the opposite way. So I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the issue.

Secondly, after that, I don't know what resolution I want to write, I've got a lengthy to-do list of various GP targets, but none I'm particularly jumping out of my seat to do... Firstar CTEd long ago, before then I was one of the ones trying to get his old version more acceptable, he had a good version ready to go, but kept waiting to get more time and unfortunately never got it. Is there any interest left here in getting a badge? I'd be more than willing to author a commendation if you want one. Don't worry about the Rule IV stuff, the terms used in commendations and condemnations aren't actually that different. We can still talk about defending and forums and just about everything.

[Grub (Lenlyvit)]

With Nazi Europe, they are Nazis and their kind has supported the oppression of others and the extinction of races they don't like. These characteristics are not good. Not even a little.

I don't care if the NS Nazi's have been on their best behavior here and have helped little old ladies cross the street, etc., they are still Nazis or at least Nazi wannabe's! What part of concentration camp makes anyone think their condemnation should be repealed? Nazi=bad. The condemnation should not only stand, but can we throw another couple of condemnations on top of it as well?

[Ananke II]

One thing I've wondered for a while is whether they're actual Nazis or just roleplay it in NE. Do you know that Topid?

[Grub (Lenlyvit)]

Do they roleplay Nazi Medical experiments in their forums? Nazi's and all that they stand for are bad. Pretending to emulate Nazi's in any way is not acceptable and in and of itself is worthy of a condemnation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_experiments

[Topid]

They are all just Roleplay IC nazis and Gameplay IC Nazis, yes. None of them roleplay genocide or those experiments either that I've ever seen. They do get the occasional troll that a region like that attracts that does advocate that kind of stuff, but usually the mods ban him/her fairly quickly.

It doesn't make since to condemn based on the name of the region. I could found a region called the Republican Party and use it to advocate progressive change... Nazis could mean supporters of communism within this game if people roleplayed it that way. Nazi Europe never ever advocated what you linked to, so why should they be blamed for it? As far as most of their nations are concerned that never happened because that is 'the real world' outside of the game.

[Guy]

It's an in-game condemnation of in-game actions (supporting the Nazi ideology). That's probably the least controversial way to look at it.

For me, it's an OOC condemnation saying we don't approve of anything to do with Nazism. I'll vote nay on any repeal.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Should the World Assembly really be condemning beliefs, rather than actions? Should the World Assembly be able to condemn socialism, communism, capitalism, etc.? Stalin killed more people than Nazis did; should we condemn a Stalinist region because of that? Not to mention there are far more Stalinists than there are Nazis in this world.

I think the World Assembly _can_ condemn blatant racism, _as an act_. Has Nazi Europe actually done something Nazi-ish? If not, then we shouldn't muddle the tradition and democratic principle of free expression at the whims of emotion.

[Guy]

As I said, OOC. You want to call your region Nazi whatever? Well, OK, can't stop you there, but we can say f**k you.

[Topid]

It doesn't do anything to identify what the 'nazi ideology' is in NS, or even show that these nations possess such an ideology. It was written by myself as my first WA resolution when my region was mad at NE. I hoped people would follow that exact logic.

It is a resolution based on ignoring the history of NS and voting solely on the name of the resolution and real world emotion without thought.

[Anime Daisuki]

Aug 5, 2010 7:26:05 GMT -5 Glen-Rhodes said:

I think the World Assembly _can_ condemn blatant racism, _as an act_. Has Nazi Europe actually done something Nazi-ish? If not, then we shouldn't muddle the tradition and democratic principle of free expression at the whims of emotion.

They have invaded regions. ANd that reason is good enough in my book for them to get condemned.

[Walabamba]

As far as I'm concerned, the nations residing in Nazi Europe have either joined for a laugh or because they enjoy roleplaying as Nazis or just sympathize with Nazis. Therefor, I would definately be voting against a repeal.

[dels]

They chose to be nazis. They could have chosen to be partisans or Basque separatists or the KGB but they chose nazis and that says something about the character of the people controlling their nations.

[Unibot]

Fact of the matter is though, the resolution doesn't state that Nazi Europe is raiders, it doesn't deplore anything they've done, it attributes their name with a philosophy and then decries the philosophy which in turn is used to justify a decry for a nominee with the same name. If you wanted to condemn Nazi Europe for what they've done, instead of what their name suggests, you'd be taking the time to remove yourself from the very discrimination and prejudge that we as the opposition to Hitler's discriminative policies are strongly opposed to. If we accept stereotyping because of a name, what is next? An acceptance of antilocution by the SC? Social exclusion? Invasions!? Regional Destruction !!!? This resolution sets the precedent, and I think we need to set things right, if one is to be condemned, one needs to be condemned for what they have done. 60 years ago, "Condemn Jewish Europe" may have been able to pass in Nazi Europe, and without any real justification or specific and concrete statements, the same unrighteous behavior is saturated with "Condemn NAZI EUROPE", as we blindly condemn a community because of a name and a philosophy that a name suggests.

[Topid]

Did they even raid at the time? I don't think so. If they did it wasn't much, because they were a pretty small region... Anyway the proposal doesn't mention those acts if they did do them, so once again shouldn't be considered in an intelligent analysis of the resolution.

This condemnation has definitely brought more active raiders to them anyway.

[Guy]

I usually decide on how to vote on the resolution before reading the text. The outcome is the same outcome. It doesn't matter if you're condemning them for X, even though they deserve to be condemned for Y, as long as you condemned them. Well, it is preferable, but not crucial.