Post by XKI University on Jul 1, 2011 10:38:15 GMT -5
Ok, Heres the poll!
The Question is:
With all that is going on in Libya at the moment, is it right to intervene in Libya?
IPadonia: -Intervention is to stop deaths -People support the intervention -Oil is not the reason, it is to help the people -Qaddaffi has committed war crimes -The West must maintain good relations with the Middle East
Humansanity: -The UN mandate must be extended to allow further protection of the people -Qaddaffi is a destructive force -Libyans ready for democracy - we are assissting not meddling
Anartonia: -Unable to post due to RL
Agenopolis : -its an internal struggle, not a international one -Why wasn't there an intervention before now? -We can't afford these wars -Oil is the only reason they're intervening
Mutanatia: - We must look at Mission Creep and Western Intervention - Mission creep is taking part in one mission and systematically expanding it. - The UN mandate is not being adhered to - We are now trying to kill Qaddaffi -Risk of being seen as meddlers if we take out Qaddaffi
Paffnia: -US can't act as world vigilante -Libya is looking like a US backed coup -Striking similarities with Iraq, poor intelligence, planning etc -Limited objectives, confined by the UN mandate
The Poll will close on the 7th July
Just wanted to say thank you all for participating, it means a lot
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Post by Hera Valley on Jul 7, 2011 16:59:45 GMT -5
(1) We have no business picking leaders in other countries, like Libya. Or Egypt, or Syria, or anywhere else. (2) There is no intrinsic American interest. (3) If it's about saving lives, then someone please explain why we're not doing the same in Sudan. (4) With respect to the War Powers Act, someone forgot to ask Congress for permission. "Kinetic action" notwithstanding. (5) Like we have a bunch of spare money lying about with nothing worthwhile to spend it on. Oh, wait - we'll just print up a truckload more, or borrow it from Red China!
By the way, it's not about oil. If we were after oil, Sir Golfsalot would be approving drilling for all the oil we already have. For the record, I was in Iraq in 2004, and if we'd been in Iraq to get oil, then we'd have the oil, and gas would be under $2 a gallon. The Marines would have taken possession of the oil-rich regions of Iraq and been done with the rest of the country.
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Post by HumanSanity on Jul 8, 2011 23:24:51 GMT -5
(1) We do have a duty to protect human beings. (3) Because the American people haven't made it a priority but have allowed politicians to use it as a fowl excuse when they never supported Darfur action in the first place. (4) Point beside, congress essentially voted to say that Obama violated the War Powers Act NOT that we should withdraw from Libya which is what the vote was supposed to be about.
Oh, and the Sir Golfsalot comment, let me see... who has a count of how many times Bush went golfing during the middle of two wars... quite a bit.
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