Grub deleted

[Arnarchotopia]

Roughly two hours ago Grub was deleted for allegedly spamming a civic hq somewhere. The region needs to pull together and figure out what it wants to do next.

Grubs friends and allies are looking into possibly getting him brought back but things are not looking good. We need a real show of support now from you guys.

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[Mandrill]

Well, I think now it's a good time for the Delegate to decide what is going to be done next.
Btw, can't Grub come back with a new nation?

[LoreSong]

What I don't get is the accusation of spamming regions - he NEVER does that (and has strict rules about it). I'm thinking one of the people who he blew in for spamming our boards set him up ...

[Mandrill]

Yeah, cause they immediately seemed to know that Grub was gone and came here. Well, as I'm sure a handful of people have done already, I've telegrammed the mods, so I'm waiting for the response. That could be a while though.

[Arnarchotopia]

The following was just posted on the thread in moderation by Grub:

Hi,

This is Grub (Titanica is my UN nation). I have never spammed anybody and do not know why I would have been ejected. The only thing that could possibly be considered spamming is when I, as Founder, clear the message board of the 10000 Islands, which is allowed using the power of the Founder.

Not only have I not spammed or broken the rules in any way, but recently the 10000 Islands has been attacked by spammers and nations who posted really bad messages. You can see some evidence of this on this very Moderation board from about a week ago.

With the exception of one nation yesterday (who didn't even really do anything that bad,) none of those rule breaking nations were deleted, yet I have been deleted? This is something I don't understand.

I request that this error be corrected as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Grub (Titanica)

[Arnarchotopia]

Indeed the post below is correct.

[Fleeb]

This is the link:


www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142165

[Crazy Girl]

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Legatus IX
Bureaucrat


Founded: 21 Oct 2003
Posts: 1

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: Grub

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I noticed that:
Quote:
96 minutes ago: The United States of Grub ceased to exist.
He is the leader of one of the largest defender alliances in the game, and was active yesterday. Was he deleted?

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Crazygirl
Envoy


Founded: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 47

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:09 am Post subject:

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what the? why did grub get deleted?

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3 am Eternal
Minister


Founded: 22 Apr 2003
Posts: 202

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:15 am Post subject:

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It must be a glitch

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Unistrut
Bureaucrat


Founded: 22 Nov 2003
Posts: 3

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:18 am Post subject:

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Some glitch! He's the founder of a region that contains around 600 nations.

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Chi-Girr
Bureaucrat


Founded: 29 Oct 2003
Posts: 0

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:23 am Post subject: He is not just our leader

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He is not just our leader. He is also a FRIEND! He was active 15 hours before his deletion and Grub never broke the rules. We want him back!

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3 am Eternal
Minister


Founded: 22 Apr 2003
Posts: 202

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:31 am Post subject:

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He's was made founder after an invasion back in the days when Mods still made founders. But the above is right he's not the kind of player who flames, spams, or that sort of thing. I think it must be a glitch.

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Crazygirl
Envoy


Founded: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 47

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:

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and flamers already take advantage of the situation:

Quote:
3 minutes ago The Kingdom of The southpole nudists you bundle of stickss
grub is gone and now you are all on your own what ya gona do the same thing happened to my friends Biaches


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Crazygirl
Envoy


Founded: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 47

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:

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and flamers already take advantage of the situation:

Quote:
3 minutes ago The Kingdom of The southpole nudists you bundle of stickss
grub is gone and now you are all on your own what ya gona do the same thing happened to my friends Biaches


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Stephistan
Game Moderator


Founded: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 4702

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:47 am Post subject:

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I went to check for you.. he had two warnings for regional spamming.. and was deleted by Neut. I suspect (but don't know) that he must of spammed again.

Hope this helps.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

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Maximus the first
Bureaucrat


Founded: 01 Feb 2004
Posts: 1

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:47 am Post subject:

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the guys gone. i checked his region and asked virtually everyone there.

what happened?

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LoreSong
Envoy


Founded: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 45

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject:

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spamming? Grub has a strict rule against regional spamming -- something's wrong here.

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Arnarchotopia
Ambassador


Founded: 25 Jun 2003
Posts: 170

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject:

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There must be some mistake, Grub is well known and very liked and respected. He is also well known for following the rules and would never break them in the way suggested. I await his return and a clear and just resolution to this matter.

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Titanica
Bureaucrat


Founded: 25 Jan 2003
Posts: 1

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject: Grub?

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Hi,

This is Grub (Titanica is my UN nation). I have never spammed anybody and do not know why I would have been ejected. The only thing that could possibly be considered spamming is when I, as Founder, clear the message board of the 10000 Islands, which is allowed using the power of the Founder.

Not only have I not spammed or broken the rules in any way, but recently the 10000 Islands has been attacked by spammers and nations who posted really bad messages. You can see some evidence of this on this very Moderation board from about a week ago.

With the exception of one nation yesterday (who didn't even really do anything that bad,) none of those rule breaking nations were deleted, yet I have been deleted? This is something I don't understand.

I request that this error be corrected as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Grub (Titanica)

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Stephistan
Game Moderator


Founded: 15 Apr 2003
Posts: 4702

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:

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LoreSong wrote:
spamming? Grub has a strict rule against regional spamming -- something's wrong here.


I don't know really any thing about the situation.. His nation had spam tags by two different mods between a few months. Then a third action was a deletion by Neut. Which if he did some thing, any thing else would fall under our thrid strike rule.

Feel free to ask Neut why he deleted him, I'm just telling you what I was able to find out via the mod center. I personally have no personal knowledge of the actual situation.

Stephanie
Game Moderator

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[Grub (Lenlyvit)]

Hi everyone,

I have never broken the rules and never spammed. I fully expect Grub to be restored soon. Thanks for your messages.

Grub

[Alfonia]

Can I help out in any way?

[Mandrill]

Well, from what I've heard so far, allies and friends of Grub's are doing the best they can to restore Grub in his old founder position. I don't think there's much we can do but wait and hope.

You know someone has actually made a region that's called 'I'm off to spread the news'? Oh hell, has the virtual world gone to hell as well...?

[riverkings]

It says that region doesn't exist. Is that name there 100% correct?

[Jesioneka]

Before we all panic, let's think rationally.

The first thing we ought to do is secure the homeland. As long as Boktavia is active and vigilant, then this should not be a problem. In addition, we should make sure that all of our allies are on high alert in case any sort of invasion is in the works, although I doubt this is the case.

Tracking the enemy's actions is important, but secondary.

Everything else can be worried about later. Let's just all stay vigilant and keep our eyes and wits about us so that the 10000 Islands can continue to prosper in this troubling time.

[Sheynat]

I have a question of my own.
Say the mods stand behind their decision, and do not restore Grub? What happens, then? Do they bestow "Founder" status upon another nation? Or do we just go founderless?

[Fleeb]

While mods used to confer Founder status, that is no longer done. We would just be without a founder, placing allcontrol in the Delegate hands.

[riverkings]

Which is why we DEFINATELY need to stand behind Boktavia and endorse him.

[Arnarchotopia]

Indeed but Grub should be the one directing events lest your region fall into infighting. You have nothing to fear externally, your friends and allies are watching this situation and will remain (and call others here if need be) as long as you wish it.

[Odracir]

I urge all nations to endorse Boktavia especially in this time, but to do so all the time as well.

[Fleeb]

Anarchotopia is exactly correct. Grub remains our Founder and CEO. Boktavia is our elected delegate, but does not succeed Grub because Grub does not need succession--he remains in charge.

We are in very good shape. Don't let fear make you overreact.

[Boktavia II]

Would all UN nations please endorse me. I already should have had more than 65 endorsements, but I especially need some more when we have trouble like this. Don't worry, my fellow nations, I will never allow anything to happen to our region while Grub is indisposed!

[Izdambodia]

I am ever so mad as to what DEN has done. The propaganda from that region has gone too far and even I would not tolerate such actions. These false claims from DEN have been a disgrace to the site and to the game. Even if my own account is deleted I will not let Grub's account be deleted for such actions. This will not be the end of 10000 Islands.

[Grub (Lenlyvit)]

I am back everyone. Thanks for everyone's support. I appreciate it.

Grub

[riverkings]

*salutes Grub* welcome back CIC.

[New Boniventure]

Welcome back, Grub.

It's great to see how much support we have in the NationStates world. Let's use all of this as modivation to keep fighting for our cause and expanding our great region!

[Insaaniyat]

Nice to have you back old friend

[Beta Aurigae VII]

welcome back Grub.