Rightful Justice OOC thrad

[person67]

in reltaion to Aui cllaiming I am auto-hitting. While it was auto-hitting there was no way 2 aircraft travelling on radar werte going to evade 4 fighter jets. Enclave I just did it to make it quicker since one way or another it would be destroyed so I just sped it up.

[Auileria]

It's still a bit fishy that you wrote what his pilot and crew did for him and such, but fair enough on the foregone conclusion bit.

What wasn't clear to me was who was sending the fighters, Miras or Person? From the names of the soldiers I guessed Person, which makes me wonder what their interest in the carrier is exactly. It's not attacking them and as far as I can tell it was still in international waters.

EDIT: Okay, the post does imply it's Mirasi planes. The name John Hope just threw me off as sounding very un-asian. I withdraw my point about their interest in the carrier
*learns to read closely

[Central Ruska]

First thing, we need to establish the correct naming of the Miras people, because it's starting to get confusing with all the English names, when I thought that they were Asian based, like Korea.

Second, this is aimed at Republic of The Enclave. The Vertibird aircraft, whilst the technology is largely available to make these (See - V22-Osprey) I would personally call this a specialised unit which only you use. Because of this, it would be very handy if you gathered some specifications on this (if you can find any) and compile it to create a profile for the unit.

Thirdly, the auto-hitting. Whilst Person has now claimed that he was auto-hitting to speed things up, try not to do it again. However, I will agree to say that there would have been little chance for either the UAV or Vertibird to escape the aircraft and, because all of this takes place within Miras's national airspace (13.8 miles from the coast) Miras does have the justification to target such aircraft. This also technically (in my opinion) count as a justification of war, now that Enclave has entered their airspace on two accounts. The troops on the ground also count, yet because they haven't technically been discovered yet, it doesn't count.

[person67]

ok it was Miras planes who shot down those enclave planes, fair enough Enclave if you want the pilot and crew can be killed with their craft. let explain it like this I know its annoying but my names are random. I can imagine its annoying and if it is an issue fine but my names are random. again i know auto-hitting should not be done to much like in fair fights but the result was obvious so I did not want to waste time.

[Central Ruska]

Do you use a random name generator for your names?

[person67]

no I just make them up.

[Central Ruska]

Here, I'll do you a favour. This one is the one that I use for any name, Russian or not!

www.behindthename.com/random/

Loads of options to give you any nationality you'd ever want!

[person67]

ok in future I will now try and make my names based on their nationality. thanks

[Central Ruska]

So, what nationality are we going with for Miras?

[person67]

if you use Chinese from that list of options. that would be good

[Republic of The Enclave]

Jun 4, 2015 10:01:08 GMT -5 Central Ruska said:

Here, I'll do you a favour. This one is the one that I use for any name, Russian or not!

www.behindthename.com/random/

Loads of options to give you any nationality you'd ever want!

I use that for my names except for MG Ataraxia.

[Republic of The Enclave]

What language do the Mirasians speak?

[Central Ruska]

Chinese, I think.

[person67]

yeah sure

[person67]

Enclave you can move on your SpecOps team whenever

[Central Ruska]

I would like to announce that in a few days, I will be taking control of Miras. I have already checked this with Person, who is ok with me doing so.

[Republic of The Enclave]

Thanks, I'll get right on that.

[Auileria]

Person, do you mind if I skip over the assault on the hideout and go straight to the announcement of the attack and the talk in my MI5-expy?

[Central Ruska]

Person, this is a bit irrelevant, but why is your guys room a Faraday cage?

[person67]

bugging is nearly impossible no signal gets out.

[Central Ruska]

Republic of The Enclave, are your troops getting any younger? 14 years old and a lieutenant?

And also, thanks for creating a spec for the Vertibirds.

[Republic of The Enclave]

Central Ruska, our nation has no rules on how old you have to be to be an officer.

[Central Ruska]

Ok... What about the actual soldiers, the ones that you'd put on the ground?

[Republic of The Enclave]

The youngest an infantryman can be is 12 years old.  ECSR Sigma consists of 14, 15 and 16 YOs.  

[Auileria]

So your army employs child soldiers. Lovely ...

I know many Auilerians would have ethical issues with that, so don't expect to have good relations with my country if that age limit is common knowledge

[Central Ruska]

Have you not thought about the psychological effects of using Child soldiers?

[Republic of The Enclave]

I have, but soldiers under 18 volunteer for the job for rewards such as major tax breaks and huge incomes.  Plus the military schooling education system is far superior to the standard education system.  Of course, lots of people don't volunteer when they're young, but they have to serve when they're 18.  Lot's of people just get it out of the way so that they can enjoy lower taxes and government paychecks.  PTSD is common, but we have government sponsored clinics to help vets deal with PTSD, loss of limbs and other injuries in the line of duty.  Our soldiers are people, not numbers which is something that lots of other nations fail to recognize.  

[Auileria]

Where I live, I wasn't allowed to make big decisions on my own until I was 18. I don't know how old you are IRL Enclave, but I remember from being a teenager that tax breaks and other bureaucracy were something I didn't really comprehend, and neither did my classmates. Teenage psyche literally isn't built for it. There's a reason in real life <16 YO's aren't expected to understand the consequences of their actions (parents legally responsible, juvie prisons, clearing of your criminal record at 18, more stuff like that), because psychologically they really can't.

It might be different in the Enclave with people being forced into maturity earlier and children being forced into combat. That is (sadly) a realistic phenomenon in some less fortunate places in the world, so I have no problem with that. Notice though that its always adults ordering or intimidating the children into it, not what you'd call free will.

My point is that ...
1) you can't ignore teenage psyche altogether, so don't pretend a system that asks children to make adult decisions works.
2) child soldiers are a big no no in most of the real world, so don't be surprised if you get a similar response from RP nations

[Republic of The Enclave]

Im 15, and I figure if I can comprehend things like taxes, morality etc, other people my age can too. Besides, nobody is forced to be a child soldier, they volunteered to do it. At 18, if you haven't already served, then you're forced. The majority of child soldiers spend their time as mechanics and other simple tasks. We have an entire regiment of 10 YOs specifically to load magazines. They'll never see combat, but their job is just as important as the ECSR. I get that my ideas are questionable, amoral at times, but these are the kids that understand what they're doing and want to make a difference on an international level. The best part is that because they are so young, they do not fully understand how dangerous what they're doing is. Because of this, they take greater risks than that of an adult soldier. Of course, their are casualties because of this, but the training these kids get beforehand is so good that the majority of our soldiers come back unharmed. Although this RP doesn't really show that, so far I've suffered the most casualties and lost a couple million credits worth of materiel. You can criticize all you want, but my soldiers are some of the best out there, so know your place, and shut your face.

[person67]

I an 14 and I can tell you that even though I am a freak who understands things like taxes, morality and stuff. I know no other kids my own age who do understand. You can't seriously tell me that you use children because they are to stupid to value their lives. You can use them if you want but if so do not expect anyone else to work with you. Kids should be behind a desk learning how to count to 10 not out in a warzone counting wounds. Secondly both me and Miras have suffered more casualties than you tenfold.