Senate Debates (11/04)

[New Age Guilds]

if anyone would like to ask any questions, then just post

[sgaz]

Ok Ill start you off,
Im a very new member to 10k. In a few days time I will be eligble for membership of TITO. Tell me what are the benifits to me, and what plans you have to encouarge newer members like myself.

[New Age Guilds]

ewhat benifits. well firstly you have the honor of being part of the greatest defense group in NS
secondly, it makes you able to become delehgate and it usually seen as a good thing by election voters.


to help get young members such as you interested the isans will hopefully be creating a university. i hope one of our experts will teach you about what we do nd how invaders and defenders work

trust me, its great fun ;D

[Henneth annun]

I agree with NAG on that and would also like to say that bieng a UN member can also propose somethink to our ruling council in the Senate Offices board!

[Keamian Territories]

Okay I'll ask the second question. Do you believe that the constution should be changed in any way form or fasion.

[Henneth annun]

I believe that we should conform that great document a bit. Not radically, but show more the sucession plans should a senator pass away like NewBoni, and Odracir. We can work on an ammendment for that.

[New Age Guilds]

hmmmm, as time goes on eventually the constitution will be changed. th4e future holds anything and everything, and we should keep a open mind

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

I think it should be changed only if the Nations want it changed. The Senate does what the nations ask them to do. So if they want it changed we should change it. If not then we shouldn't.

[Thewsconia]

I think the Constitution is a beautiful document and doesn't need changed unless ABSOLUTELY necesary. Right now I don't see an absolute reason for us to change it right now but if a situation does come up where it is absolutely needed then I'm all for it.

[Keamian Territories]

Alright, good answers. I have yet another question. Under what cirumstances would you admend the constution.

[Crackenback]

Only if it was absolutely necessary.

The Constitution works, so why change it?

There have been a couple of aesthetic changes suggested, but I'm more inclined to only change it if something major happened, like Grub CTE'd and we had to change the conditions for the TITO Leader or something

[Sheynat]

I see no reason to change it, but I don't think changing it should be set too far out of hand. However, it should be made difficult to change it. The US constitution is very hard to amend, because it has to be passed by Congress and the several states; you can't just have, say, all the red states plus Ohio confirm it, you have to have 36 states. I'd have a Council vote; and then if it passes that by at least 5-4, then forward it to the people, where it has to pass as well. Such a system is preferable because an amendment to a constitution is very nearly unrepealable; only another amendment will repeal it.

[TheSensitiveNewAge]

How many people would need to support the amendment change?

[Sheynat]

Say, three fourths. Again, taken from the American system. Basically, just a strong majority; three fourths is just convenient.

[Henneth annun]

Yeah. I mean that was just a suggestion. We don't need to change it.

[Re-Yupanqui]

What are your points of view on overturning an executive veto? Should it be done? If so, how?

[New Age Guilds]

i dont follow

[Sheynat]

I figure an executive veto should be possible to overturn. I seriously dislike the idea of the executive being able to, theoretically, shoot down an idea that all eight other councilmembers were in favor of, solely because he is the executive. I think it should take a pretty substantial majority to overturn the veto-maybe six out of eight. One idea that has been raised is to submit everything vetoed to the population to inquire if they would like to overturn the veto, but there are huge security issues involved in that. Everything that's been vetoed may not be fit for revelation. So, basically, I favor keeping it in the council, but being able to overturn a veto.

[New Age Guilds]

he, democracy works, baby

[Henneth annun]

I completely agree with Sheynat! Let's prove those Invaders wrong and show that Grub is not a dictator.

[Greek People Nation (GPN)]

I think that in any Government their is a dictator some how. It can be a good thing and it could be a bad thing. But in a democracy the excutive power always has the last say in anything. You as the nations can try to change the mind of the leader but he/she always has the last say.

But the excutive power always does what he/she thinks is best for the region(Country)

[Sheynat]

The executive USUALLY does what he thinks is best for the country, and we're lucky enough to have an executive who ALWAYS does what he thinks is best. But the mantle of leadership does not come with infallibility. That's the curse of a leader or commander; his human fallibility. Just because the executive says "This course of action is best," no matter how certain he is of that, he may not be correct. Consider Vietnam. Two Presidents in a row decided that the correct course was to remain in Vietnam. However while I agree that the executive takes the course of action he believes to be best, I disagree with the statement that the executive has the last say in everything. For example, in the United States, the President can veto a bill that is put before him. However, when the bill is vetoed, it is sent back to Congress and put to another vote. If two thirds of the people of Congress favor the bill, it passes over the President's veto and objections. That's how I think things should be here.

[Serconea]

This is already in the SDP platform. We should be able to overturn an executive veto.

[New Age Guilds]

yes, though we must remember that are exectutive as seen alot and knows alot about this hgame and what is best for the region