Whats the UPP position

[newislandia]

Would like to know the UPP position on the "Poll on type of proposal". UPP favors it or not really.

Also, found out it seems ALP wants to control who gets into the AON.
He said the following:

Re: Inactive membership!
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ALP is taking in suggestions for drafting a proposal to quell nations who join AoN and then waste the AoN's time trying to maintain there memberships.

Wouldn't that be too controlling. Could be abused.

[Girlsandboys]

? NewIslandia appears as CTE on side bar? In any case, I'm glad that he mentioned this current poll being taken by ALP regarding the proposal Estay has made redefining AoN procedures on Constitutional amendment. Personally, I would urge UPP/AoN to NOT favor the proposal-and to state so on Alp's poll (if you haven't done so already)....when proposals for Constitutional amendment are voted on in AoN a list of the number of AoN votes in favor and against are presented to Co9-so Co9 knows exactly how many favor votes AoN presented. Having to create a list of ten nations that would override the significance of AoN votes, would be extraordinary...
Re: Alp's OTHER idea--I agree with New Islandia...

[newislandia]

From discussion started on Mar. 28 to the vote this month on the The discussion on Amendment on Article 3.3 started on Mar. 28. Its the middle of June and the Co9 is still voting on it. It took too long.
We need to speed the process. So what do think. We could set time limits. How about a time limit which is nothing is decided it becomes law automatically. That way maybe the process will speed up.

Edit: Also, what do most UPP members think about the plan to create a "House of Commons of the AoN".

Founder is not for it.

[Girlsandboys]

AoN cannot determine Co9 timeliness...moving C09 discussions>Co9 vote is a founder perogative- and the founder can not be inhibited by AoN resolutions. Some mention was made of C09 creating legislation to cover procedures when and if extended founder absence takes place, before that thread was deleted. Re. House of commons, I too am interested in learning more of UPPs opinions on the matter.

[Sinn Féin's Ireland]

I think it's a good idea. I've mentioned to quite an extent in the AoN questions thread my ideas about AoN service in various departments. This could be part of what it takes to be a Commons member (i.e a higher, prestigious level of AoN). If we present it in the right way it could get sufficient support.

What are anyone elses thoughts on the idea?

[newislandia]

If you think about it with a House of Commons, with lower and higher house, what do we need with a Co9??

[Sinn Féin's Ireland]

The Co9 would be the highest house. That's never going to change.

However, i think a bi-cameral HoC in the AoN could work. The more you do for the region, the better, and you can then join the higher chamber. The lower chamber would still exist for everyone to join, and act as a good stepping stone, debate forum, legislation proposer, etc.
I don't know, it'd need debate and discussion.

[Chelodia]

how long would it take to draft up such a proposal? I would be keep to support something alnog those lines.

[Sinn Féin's Ireland]

Well, i'm happy to start discussion it this evening. I'll write down a few basic principles in here, and then we can all contribute to how we see it working potentially.

[Girlsandboys]

Generally I support the idea of combining AoN with community service. The idea would create the necessity that Co9 Officials cooperate w/ AoN however.( Jes w/ State dept., Eri+Minna w/edu, CL with labor , Grub w/TITO etc....) Shouldn't be just IMM Also THAT I'd support, if feasible.The idea would require discussion in both C09 and AoN.....can't say how many or if Co9 leaders would prefer total autonomy from AoN. Will start a research thread in AoN which can help assess members' current regional participation outside AoN.

[newislandia]

I finally disagree with G&B ;D ;D

I do not support the idea of combining AoN with community service,

Many seem to complain about the power of the founder and the Co9 and how they look down on AON.
So now you want to divide AON into higher and lower but the division to depend on community service. So then the higher with the community service will look down on the lower. The higher AON would become a copy of the Co9 doing what they wanted and not having to listen to the lower AON. Lower AON membership could fall greatly. Then the higher AON would have to takeover all of AON. Which would eliminate representation for some members of 10K.

Another example. We currently have royalty and peasants. So would change it to royalty, merchants and peasants. So now instead of one group looking down on the peasants we have two groups looking down on the peasants.
Also, some of the higher AON might start taking Co9 views since they want to protect themselves from the lowers getting too much power.
This would probably favor more Co9 by dividing the AON opposition.

Edit: Has for the A&B Judicial resolution which didn't pass it seems its going nowhere. They are all saying the Co9 has judicial powers.
A legislature with judicial power. Thats new. But could lead to corruption.

Another Edit: Why is there no mention of AON and the post of patrician and censor in the 10K constitution??
Here is the constitution: 10000islands.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Library&action=display&thread=1073038741

Edit: For June 20 - Supposedly, the Department of Education has just become open to the public. Following should be added "open to the public who also are 10K citizens". Its not open to non-UN 10K members.

[Girlsandboys]

reasonable arguments, NI...infact, WHY I undertook the recent research on AoN members' participation in XKI OUTSIDE of AoN was to demonstrate that fears of AoN as being disintegrating to the region are unfounded...the evidence points in the other direction...I do like the equality and freedom the AoN sustains. Perhaps just some sort of AoN acknowledgement could be encouraging without any obligation? The AoN is mentioned in the resolutions..(separate doc)
BTW personally I agree that EDU should be public access...hopefully soon Eri/ Minna/Grub can pull that off...Pretty much everytime I mention opening up any boards someone attempts to rip out my tongue. xenophobia!!!

[newislandia]

So it seems the AON is mentioned in other documents. But why not in the constitution. We should have it placed in the constitution. Think we really should push for this. Would bring more prestige to the AON if we were mentioned in the constitution. What do you fellow members say.